‘NCIS’ season 12 debate: Where has the buzz gone for CBS’ biggest drama?
Tomorrow night, there is a new episode of “NCIS” season 12 on CBS, but is anyone really talking about it, or excited to see exactly what happens?
This has been a strange season for CBS as a whole so far. The ratings for almost every one of their shows is down by a pretty good margin; “The Big Bang Theory” has lost some steam, “NCIS: Los Angeles” has faded on Monday nights, and “Elementary” looks like it is barely keeping their head above water.
“NCIS” is meant to be the constant, and in some ways, it has a few things to be proud about. It continues to be the network’s most-watched show, and is a syndication monster all around the world. Being the most-watched TV show globally is an honor that only a few shows can attest to having over the past decade or so.
With all of this being said, why is there a problem right now? It comes mostly from what we feel is a sea change in programming right now. In the internet age, the Netflix age, and the age of having a billion shows on your DVR, life is harder for a procedural. It is even harder for one that doesn’t feel like it is bringing anything new to the table.
Let’s recount where we are right now with season 12: The Tony character has regressed since losing Ziva, and we’re not just saying that because we were a fan of Cote de Pablo’s character. The whole dating storylines just don’t feel natural. Meanwhile, nothing is happening new for Gibbs, we haven’t seen McGee’s girlfriend Delilah once, and most of the Bishop stories revolve around her either being a probie, or having a husband who we have not even met yet.
Then, there is the matter of staging a good villain. While “The Mentalist” had Red John, “Criminal Minds” recently had the Replicator, and “Castle” had Bracken, this show has not produced a worthy adversary in a while that gives you someone specific to fear, but also look forward to seeing. Parsa last season wasn’t even that terrifying. They need a more dynamic adversary, and someone who really challenges these people.
Basically, this show feels now like it has been on for 12 years. The stories are too comfortable, often lacking in great moments, and don’t seem like they are challenging anyone as much as they could. This is a show with a golden opportunity to do amazing things! You have a very talented cast, and writers who we’ve seen put out great episodes over the years. There were a few good ones near the end of season 11 that started to make us think we were going in a great direction.
At this point, though, “NCIS” needs to take a quick look at itself going into the second half of its season, and realize it can and needs to do more than just being a really good example of a solid procedural. It’s being forgotten about, and whenever it does leave the air, we don’t want to see it happen with a whimper.
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Matthew
December 3, 2014 @ 7:36 am
Im not sure. I think NCIS own longevity is being well used against it now. When we see an episode we think.. we know whats going to happen here. Random person finds body/sees accident.. Armed services person . NCIS are called in, Ducky arrives with Jimmy. Quips are made.
Obligatory autopsy scene, Scene in lab with person becoming less Goth every year. Banter around people clicking up slides on smallish video screen. Disappearance of Vance for long periods.
I could be describing one of many episodes spread all the way back from season 1. Yes NCIS is a procedural but I honestly think they are running out of areas to tap in characters backgrounds. Whats next? Tony spent some time as a CIA agent?
In regards to Cote de Pablo yes I think the show was dumb to let her go. BUT having said that, I also think the show was dumb to leave the revolving Tony/Ziva line spinning for so long. Trotting out that it was a slow burn to get to that point does nothing. Anyone can say that, and it means you dont have to go there at all. Just keep hinting it, have an episode dedicated to it that isnt really about it at all.
To be honest I was never a fan of it simply because such a relationship might of made working together difficult. I think at the end for Tony’s character Id like to see him make a choice. I think hes now passed by any opportunities hes had for promotion.. and become almost instituionalised in Gibbs team. Hes safe. Id like him to quit and move to Israel and see what happens. We dont need to see it on the screen but we need to feel like he is moving forward.
What do I expect from Gibbs? For him to retire as a lonely old dude building boats until all his injuries stop him doing even that? Probably. At one point I thought they might actually kill him off in the last ever episode. Im just not sure this show is that edgy to do that.
Lorraine64
November 12, 2014 @ 3:15 am
Just watched “Searchers” and whilst there was some nice Bishop stuff – seems the writers are attempting to fix the problems they gave themselves when they introduced Bishop in the first place – despite my hopes to the contrary Tony’s plot line really did revolve around a cat. Don’t get me wrong, I adore cats – I’ve had a cat since I was a child, but Tony is sooo not a cat guy. He’s never been portrayed as an animal person at all. Now if he’d taken in a stray dog – fair enough, I might have believed that, but not a cat. And he’s actually getting upset because it got out. So once again the writers have sacrificed character for the sake of humour and/or a quick story fix. We had him wanting Ziva’s mini, the ridiculous notion that he’d have a single bed and his attendance at a support group, and now a cat! Arrghhhhh what happened to the Tony I fell in love with?!
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:32 am
Can’t expecting anything else from the writer of the ep…..
Monreal has written Tony as nothing more than the buffoon or humor target since she started
Lorraine64
November 12, 2014 @ 2:33 am
I have to say that sadly I totally agree with your summation. Whilst for me nothing can compare to the first four Don P Bellisario seasons, I feel the rot really started to set in at the start of S10 which I dubbed the season of missed opportunities. Notably the less than satisfactory resolution to the end of the S9 cliffhanger involving the blowing up of the Navy Yard, and probably the biggest anti-climax in the history of television following the Tiva car crash. At the start of S11 I appreciate that Cote de Pablo’s unexpected departure was difficult for the writers but that should have opened up all sorts of doors and I feel that instead of embracing the change and the chance to shake things up a bit they just simply opted to play it safe.
Season 12 has brought a couple of really nice episodes so far but over all for me it’s just become for want of a better word a bit “blah”. For a show that holds the mantel of most watched drama in the world to my mind nice is just not good enough and wastes the talents of such a wonderful team of excellent actors. I wonder just how many viewers the current series would attract if instead of season 12 this was season 1. When you reach season 12 and a large proportion of the episodes that fans place in their top ten originate from the first four (DPB) years then maybe the producers should take time to look at exactly what made those early episodes so special. The writers seem to have forgotten that without consequences there is no jeopardy and without jeopardy there is no excitement. When was the last time we saw one of our heroes sustain more than a scratched nose?! I truly believe that if the current PTB were in charge when SWAK was written Tony would never have contracted the plague. He would have “got lucky” as Gibbs is so fond of saying these days. Eleven years on SWAK remains a firm favourite of many NCIS fans and despite multiple viewings I still get goosebumps every time Pitt states that Agent DiNozzo is infected.
And where are the antagonists? Whilst I’ve enjoyed the greater sense of camaraderie between the characters: Tony and McGee have developed – for no apparent reason – their bromance; Vance – again for no apparent reason – became nice a few seasons back and with the departure of Trent Kort there’s no one that we love to hate. At the start of S11 the new SecNav hinted at having an agenda, but disappointingly she disappeared before anything could develop. Then Bishop arrived. Despite Tony and McGee’s earlier declarations that they didn’t need to replace Ziva everyone accepted Bishop without question, and even Gibbs uncharacteristically trusted her from the outset. Having seen the trailer for tonight’s episode I look forward to seeing how her confrontation with Gibbs plays out, though I suspect in common with S11’s “Monsters & Men” this will be a short lived blip and their good relationship will be rectified during the course of just one episode.
Whilst I know many prefer stand alone episodes to those with story arcs, I believe it important that unresolved plot points are revisited when appropriate, it’s what gives heart and a sense of reality to a series. For example, towards the end of season 10 we learnt that McGee’s father had stage four cancer. Having heard nothing since I thought there might have have at been at least a mention, perhaps a brief conversation between McGee and Tony, during “Honor Thy Father” when Gibbs’ father died, but sadly we’re still awaiting any news of McGee senior’s fate. I have to say I was surprised they chose to give McGee daddy issues in the first place, I always thought that unlike the rest of the team McGee had a happy childhood. If nothing else as the only principal character at the time with a mother it might have been nice for a change to meet her instead.
Likewise we never did hear if Abby found her real parents or what Tony’s bargain with God was mentioned in S9.
And in the first episode of S5 we learnt that Tony’s lungs had been compromised following his bout with the plague. I’ve been waiting seven years for the consequences of that to bite him in but butt, but sadly this seems to be something that has been completely forgotten on the part of the writers.
I too am sorry not to see more of Delilah, though I suspect this may have something to do with the actress’s lack of availability. Perhaps when we do see her again the writers will make more of her and McGee’s relationship and indeed her disability. There’s a lot more to paraplegia than just not being able to walk. I also felt I should have been a lot more upset when she was injured but sadly as written there was so little chemistry between her and McGee that I really wasn’t sure if they were any more than friends anyway.
When it comes to Tony the dating story lines feel anything but organic. Whilst I thought “Parental Guidance Suggested” to be one of the better episodes of late and I didn’t actually dislike Keates I would love to see Tony with someone really different from Ziva – I mean she was petite, dark haired, can kick arse and her name is Zoe! Remind you of anyone?! Again the opportunities are enormous and it feels a shame that more isn’t being made of the chance to introduce a really interesting character, perhaps one not involved in law enforcement. What about someone from the armed forces – someone in the Navy, perhaps a nurse or a woman Tony meets as part of a case – someone who helps him when he’s undercover or injured. It’s hard for many fans to see Tony with anyone other than Ziva, so make it easy for us – bring in someone lovely – maybe someone not his usual type – someone who grows on him across a couple of episodes – perhaps an older woman with a child. The sky really is the limit.
For the most part I liked the relationship between Tony and Ziva, but because Tony’s character had been dumbed down over the years, when she left I felt the writers no longer knew who Tony was anymore. He had become at times as Michael Weatherly himself said “the idiot in the corner”. In S11 when Gibbs said he’d trust Tony any time, whilst I loved the thought (I very much miss the original Tony/Gibbs relationship of the early seasons) it actually felt out of character since it was hard to remember the last time we’d seen Tony do anything to deserve such praise. If “Parental Guidance Suggested” is anything to go by I’d like to think the writers are now trying to address this, though every time I think that the writers are finally going in the right direction as far as Tony is concerned we get an episode like “Choke Hold”, and the number of hero Gibbs episodes already in S12 is getting a little weird. For gods sake give Tony a really serious plot line for once. Whilst S11’s Admiral’s Daughter was great it was still rather tongue in cheek. I’m hoping that tonight there’s a lot more to the whole Tony and a cat plot than meets the eye.
What made NCIS special for me was that DPB made me love and care about the characters. Sadly I just don’t care any more. I want some excitement. I want to care again. I appreciate that there have been 264 episodes, but since the fanfic writers can still make me laugh, cry, and have me on the edge of my seat – surely it’s not too much to ask that the professionals do the same.
And with all due respect anyone who says that NCIS is and should be just a procedural show should go back and watch the first four seasons, along with the show’s predecessor JAG. At its best it’s always been a show about character and relationships – just watch “SWAK”, “Probie”, “Hiatus”, “Under Covers”, “Chained”, “Twisted Sister”, “Requiem”, “Truth Or Consequeces” to name but a few. If it was purely a weekly crime who done it type show, I for one would have stopped watching long ago.
Marie H
November 12, 2014 @ 12:44 am
NCISLA has it but NCIS does not…Would watch all the way through each week if Ziva David ( cote de Pablo) was there.
Eleanor S
November 12, 2014 @ 12:39 am
Agree and lost interest in this show…no sizzle anymore with the new character/actress. She just does not have the skill set to make it work. I too would like to see Cote back as Ziva.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 1:52 am
She definitely has the skill set to make it work….love the idea that whole cast has such a relaxed body language now
Lee
November 12, 2014 @ 7:46 am
And you, too, don’t give a monkey’s that Cote doesn’t want to play Ziva any more.
Cheryl Gress
November 12, 2014 @ 12:35 am
Agree with this article.. my family, friend and I would like to see Cote de Pablo back as Ziva David. She drew us i with her team work on this show week after week.
Jean-charles Tillmann
November 11, 2014 @ 10:58 am
Cote de Pablo has what GG and MH look in her pants. It must be a night mare for both to see how important Cote is on the Dovekeepers. And this can’t be changed by persons where only sense of live is to hate. For this Bishop fit perfect. Negative actress for negative thinking people. Let us open a new prep school, all this guys and Bishop in center of.
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 9:52 pm
Tillman, you are disgusting.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 1:54 am
what a grossly inappropriate comment
Marianne Gibson
November 11, 2014 @ 5:59 am
I believe the article hits the proverbial nail on the head. NCIS is now a chemistry-less show. I watch Castle, NCIS LA and see what’s missing: the relationship between partners who have moved it up the second level and succeeded. Tiva . . . Tony and Ziva. Gibbs is great, so is Abby, McGee and Ducky but I watched for Tony and Ziva and that is gone.
CBS refuses to recognize, let alone admit, they made a huge blunder by not giving Cote de Pablo what she wanted in terms of a contract. They ruined a good show. The only way to save this sinking ship is to reunite Tony and Ziva. Then the buzz will be back …big time. I mean…the episode Ziva was merely mentioned brought a rise in viewership of a million. That speaks volumes. Bishop doesn’t offer NCIS anything that Abby and McGee doesn’t already do. Time to fix things… right.
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:03 am
I find it really sad that so many people see ‘chemistry’ only where two people are panting after each other. The entire cast of NCIS have always had fantastic chemistry between them, and that translated onto screen as good chemistry between all the characters. That got somewhat quashed with the emphasis on just two characters out of the ensemble, but is being allowed to shine through again.
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As for CBS, precisely what was it that CBS wouldn’t give to de Pablo? and what was she demanding that they found unacceptable? You seem to know the details here.
Did both CBS and de Pablo lie when they said her leaving was not over money, then?
The evidence is that CBS gave her precisely what she wanted: her freedom to do other things – and that was obviously incompatible with a renewed contract on the show. Your assertion that CBS made any sort of blunder is based on unproven speculation.
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You seem to be another one claiming that Ziva fans are dumb and desperate enough to watch a show merely for a mention of a character. But then again I don’t see where you get a rise of a million for this episode – the figures are less than half a million higher than the previous week, and roughly on par with the last few weeks.
Bringing Ziva back, may bring the ‘buzz’ back, but as viewers were deserting the show in their millions when Ziva was still present, there is zero evidence that a return would bring an increase in viewers
Marianne Gibson
November 11, 2014 @ 4:27 pm
Dear Lee…you are making assumptions that Cote left for just “money”. I never said that. I stand by what I said. Two people did make the show more enjoyable. ..for me. And that is where I am talking from. My opinion which is what you gave me back. ..your opinion which you are entitled to. CBS did make a HUGE blunder. Dumb? So name calling has entered the picture? How juvenile is that but if it made you feel better then go right ahead. The facts bear out that the viewers jumped mill because I kept track. No lying there and please. ..do not involve fans in my comment. It is mine and from me only. Now you have a nice day.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:14 am
Viewers have not jumped ship….outside of the few that only watched for ziva. and those numbers don’t equal what you’re claiming
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:12 am
It’s amusing how some refuse to admit that chemistry can be in other forms other than partners lusting after each other….although in Tony and ziva’s case, it would be more like bullying.
It’s even more amusing how those same fans bleating for ‘tiva’ and using other shows as the comparison ‘forget’ that Castle was built around the romance from the start. NCIS LA, while not specifically built around a main character romance, has SB as it’s creator/showrunner. Nothing else really needs to be said about why the ‘densi’ fans are oh so thrilled with the speed of which that relationship was moved.
As far as CBS’s ‘blunder’, that’s gotta be the funniest one of all. A ‘negotiation’ does not mean that the actor gets what she wants in a contract. Nor has a good show been ‘ruined’. It’s been given a rebirth and a refocus – one it desperately needed.
There is no sinking ship – except in the minds of those who only watched for the fake romance that never was or would have been. The ziva era is over (finally!)
Marianne Gibson
November 12, 2014 @ 3:52 am
No rebirth…no focus…and, like the rest of the Ziva haters, way off track but that’s okay. You have the right to believe as you wish. Now that really is what’s amusing.
Maggie Eckard
November 11, 2014 @ 3:18 am
A bunch of women trying to out bitch one another with all their comments. Bottom line, if you don’t like the show with the changes, simply don’t watch it.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:38 pm
Well, tell Annsan that….she spent 8 years attacking Ziva while watching the show. As for me, I’ll keep watching only because of Tony and McGee. And I’ll keep on complaining about how Bishop doesn’t fit. Oh, and the people that don’t like the changes have indeed left as the viewer numbers have dropped. Yes, yes, yes, I know it’s dropped for all shows, but we’re talking about the #1 show.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 4:09 pm
not 8 years…you need to get your lies straight.
SylviaWissmann
November 11, 2014 @ 1:49 am
I would like to have Ziva back! Ziva and TIVA made the show for me!
And sorry I really don’t care what Ziva haters think about that!
I tried to like Bishop but people who fail doing their job don’t cut it for me!
And if Michael Weatherly wasn’t still on the show I would have moved on months ago!
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:07 am
Ziva and Tiva made the show for you on a crime drama show?
Why did you ever start watching it?
Jean-charles Tillmann
November 11, 2014 @ 10:55 am
What you want to tell Lee, now it’s a prep school for an bad actress and some guys who lose all what they looking for. You belong to a group who’s only goal is to annoye people.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:16 am
It WAS a prep school, charlie….when MH and MW and DMc schooled the rookie on how H’wood works and the ins and outs of a tv series.
Tari Jones
November 11, 2014 @ 1:44 am
I agree with BFB the author needs to speak for themselves. There is just as must as interest for NCIS in season 12 as there was in the beginning. I agree that some changes need to be made but there’s still a lot of steam left in that engine.
Lucy
November 11, 2014 @ 1:20 am
I simply cannot believe how intensely involved people can get over a………….wait for it!……………………television show!!! It’s not real! There really is no Gibbs (try watching Mark Harmon play Ted Bundy and you’ll see what I mean). And if you are dissatisfied with the people on the show, you have a choice – you can just stop watching it. I’m sure Cote dePablo has a good laugh to herself about all this adoration!
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:39 pm
Well, fans have been complaining about TV shows since they were invented. So nothing new here. :-)
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:05 pm
Not with the viotrol and nastiness that the ziva/tiva fen have unleashed on the cast and writers of NCIS since last July
Felix
November 10, 2014 @ 11:46 pm
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Ex-wives, hubbies, love interests, did Mark Harmon confuse NCIS with Flamingo Road?
Kate was great, Jenny was great, Cassidy was great, Ziva was great, Blondie doesn’t fit!
Bishop is the worst crime fighter on television! Morgan Fairchild would make a better agent than the Bishop actress!
Bishop is silly and incapable and the actress can’t act!
NCIS is no longer worth watching!
Makes me wonder if Barbie girl is at least capable of typing because she can’t do anything a crime fighter needs to do! She’s not a probie, she’s not learning, she needs to leave because the Gibbs I like doesn’t tolerate incompetence!
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:06 am
The Gibbs you like tolerated incompetence, insubordination and treason for years from your favorite character.
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:12 pm
But she knew how to hold a gun.
Lee
November 12, 2014 @ 7:43 am
But she didn’t know enough not to point it at her own team-mates.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 11:19 pm
So, Matt, what was that about not much buzz?
Light the blue touch-paper, retreat to a safe distance and let the arguing begin. LOL
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:08 pm
The buzz comes back when someone mentions Ziva.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:06 pm
Because it’s idiotic at this stage that there would still be whining over the idea that ziva has to come back
Limonite
November 10, 2014 @ 10:56 pm
The buzz is gone because: 1.Cote de Pablo left, 2.Ellie Bishop, the new agent, is a terrible character. Stories can be good, but if the chemistry between the characters isn’t there, it’s not going to work. And IT SHOWS.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:34 am
Chemistry is still there….It’s actually coming out more now that there is no snarky insult ‘humor’ polluting every ep.
Limonite
November 11, 2014 @ 4:52 pm
I could care less about what YOU think Anna Santana. Enjoy you delusional NCIS world :)
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:08 pm
For someone who is as nasty as you, it’s funny the snark bothers you.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:31 pm
What chemistry???? All they do now is sit in the bullpen and do their job and very little humor at all.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:08 pm
the fat travolta suit was humor? what about the ‘daddy needs to go wee wee’ and then there’s all the insults in the name of ‘humor’ that ziva piled on Tony at the start of nearly every ep.
for someone who claims that Tony is her favorite,that’s an awfully strange definition there
RockyW
November 10, 2014 @ 10:38 pm
Great article!
Cote de Pablo is a great actress and she’s really hot unlike the Botox princess we had to watch a few weeks ago!
Sorry but Weatherly is too old for the playboy image!
And after reading some of the comments looks like Ziva’s/Cote’s nemesis has taken over the comment section or is it just a middle aged single woman who hates the fact that Cote is talented, sexy and attractive?
Lisa Liscoumb
November 11, 2014 @ 4:53 am
Ah yes, let’s drag out the “if you don’t like Ziva/Cote it’s because obviously you’re jealous of her” ad hominem.
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:10 am
I don’t understand why a dislike of Ziva implies a dislike of de Pablo. I didn’t much like Ted Bundy, but that has no bearing on my feelings toward Harmon.
But far too many people here seem unable to separate the characters from the actors.
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:13 am
What is this cut-off age that I am doomed to be alone if I haven’t already found a life partner. I need to know if I should start panicking, or maybe go out and kidnap someone.
shona
November 11, 2014 @ 2:12 pm
I didn’t realise that being middle aged and single precluded you from being talented, sexy and attractive as well. Are they mutually exclusive?
Ray
November 10, 2014 @ 10:33 pm
Matt, no offense, but I don’t know what show you’re watching. Writing is more solid than s11 (due to the circumstances everyone knows about). I’m personally glad to have a competent DiNozzo, instead of some clown being around for the insult humor (and being on the receiving end from someone who is gone). The show feels much like seasons 1&2, with plenty of “stand alone” episodes. We have Gibbs, 2 strong agents (Tony and Tim), and a true Probie for the first time since Tim was introduced.
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:29 am
Amen, Ray!
Margarete
November 10, 2014 @ 10:22 pm
NCIS has been a disappointment since Ziva left!
Sorry but Bishop is disliked by most viewers and if the remaining cast (except for Bishop) weren’t great the show would have already aired its final episode!
But season 12 is even worse than season 11!
I totally agree with your article!
Tony’s character regressed, Gibbs as Bishop’s nice uncle and all cheap love interests for Tony instead of women with a brain like Delilah!
So sad to see NCIS going down the drain!
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 11:17 pm
And how many of the ‘most’ viewers have you talked to?
I see most viewers loving NCIS still regardless of who the female agent is on the team.
Walter
November 10, 2014 @ 10:07 pm
With or without Ziva Bishop needs to leave!
Ziva was great all these years! I would like her to return because DiNozzo in midlife crisis is painful to watch even though he lost weight he is too old to date all these girls!
And I think it’s funny that the whole Bishop fan club and it can’t be more than 20 people feels the need to help this caricature character on NCIS!
Bishop IS God awful and ruins the show!
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:40 am
ziva was anything but great….she was the worst character in the history of the show – about equal to Jenny, Borin(g) and Ryan
shona
November 11, 2014 @ 1:51 pm
As Emily Wickersham has over 35000 followers on Twitter then I am sure that the odds would favour that Bishop has more than 20 people in her “fan club”
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:12 pm
A fraction of the followers of any other actor on the show.
Lee
November 12, 2014 @ 7:44 am
She’s got more followers than de Pablo has.
Oh, right, that’s because de Pablo doesn’t want to interact with her fans.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:47 pm
So nice to see that the column is still be written with the partiality of being a ziva/tiva fan.
rachel
November 10, 2014 @ 9:45 pm
I think that this article is well written. I agree that Tony’s love interests, outside of Ziva, have gone nowhere. I am still on the fence about Bishop. I wish she would get better storylines. I think that writers should bring in Gibbs’ ex-wife and have Pam Dawber play her.
Erin
November 11, 2014 @ 4:51 am
Since Marisol Nichols is coming back to reprise her role as Tony’s old friend, I’m feeling a slight bit of hope that tptb might be feeling a little pressure to actually give Tony a story that lasts more than one episode. Ever since Don P. Bellasario left it has been so blatantly apparent that the writers are NOT to focus on Tony for any reason than to provide a humiliating “comic” moment or to pump up some less interesting (Ziva, McGee, Gibbs) characters big drama. While I don’t always think that Bishop was a well thought out character, I do think that they are finding her voice. As for the constant super Gibbs agenda, all I can say is that I’m a little embarrassed for tptb and the writers that Gibbs is the only character that they can flatter, besides characters that pose NO THREAT to Mr. Harmon’s dominance as lead actor. It’s become the elephant in the room and I’m just a little embarrassed for them all.
Lorraine64
November 12, 2014 @ 4:20 pm
Very disappointed that currently anyway it appears they’re looking to set Tony up with a Ziva clone – I mean she’s dark, petite, can kick arse and is called Zoe! Remind you of anyone? Can’t they think even a little bit outside the box?! Hopefully she won’t end up being the love of Tony’s life – but having said that there’s only so many Tony’s got a new girl stories you can write into one season!
shona
November 11, 2014 @ 1:47 pm
They are bringing in Gibbs ex wife as played by Jeri Ryan. She has already dyed her hair red and said on twitter that she was a “recurring” character. Unless they bring another ex-wife out of the woodwork then I don’t think Pam Dawber will be cast. Personally I wouldn’t like to have seen her as one of Gibbs’s wife’s but I would be open to her appearing in a guest role connected to one of the cases. That could be fun.
Christopher
November 10, 2014 @ 9:25 pm
I can repeat it again and again: Emily Wickersham is a substandard actress for a show like NCIS!
If the producers of the show had dealt with Ms de Pablo leaving in a mature way they would have chosen a REAL actress to replace her…
And whoever created the Bishop character I would fire him because he/she doesn’t have a plan, never had one!
And Michael Weatherly can be proud of his weight loss but Tony is embarrassing as a playboy (he’s too old for that and the whole Tony-needs-a-love-interest storyline is cheaper than in a telenovela)
Nobody cares about the sex life of DiNozzo and the endless mistakes of Miss junior agent!
NCIS once was a great DRAMA with great actors and story lines but these times are over!
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:33 pm
Well, some viewers are crying out for the intimate details of Tony’s love life, so perhaps the producers are misinterpreting the cries.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:35 pm
They did deal with cdp leaving in a mature fashion – they rewrote the script over the weekend & had it ready to go instead of whining about needing more time & postponing the start of production. Then they scrapped all of the completed pre-production work on eps & started over.
As far as Tony being a playboy, guessing you missed the ep where he said he wasn’t really dating all those again? As far as Tony needed a love story – if he’s too old then so are McGee & Abby. Feel free to insert your complaints about those storylines here.
Ncis is still a great story with a fabulous cast that all gets along – that’s very evident in the body language we now see.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:37 pm
I guess you missed the last episode where we learned Tony dated 6 women in a month – and couldn’t remember the name of the one from the previous week.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:40 pm
And he was called on that behaviour by his friends, one of whom staged an intervention. Now we will see if he continues that pattern, now that he’s faced why he’s doing it.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:48 pm
6 women ina month is not being a playboy
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:09 pm
Um, yes it is.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:22 am
perhaps by your definition….not by most others
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:35 pm
Um, according to Bishop and McGee, yes, it is considered being a playboy.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:11 pm
Bishop is married and McGee is, well…McGee
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:11 pm
Bishop is married and McGee is, well…McGee
Christopher
November 10, 2014 @ 9:51 pm
If the NCIS producers had dealt with CdP leaving in a mature way the audience could have enjoyed watching someone like Brody on NOLA not a silly incompetent Bishop ruining the whole show!
And I don’t need details about the sex or love life of Tony, Abby, McGee … on NCIS!
I enjoyed the show when it was about the team (best with Kate) and without soap opera story lines!
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:21 pm
Brody though is supposed to be on NOLA. The MCRT needed a probie agent for Tony & McGee. That’s what works with the team.
& we aren’t getting details on their love lives or detailed sex scenes – we’re getting what we’ve gotten since the start – glimpses. You remember – the ones we got with kate.
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:09 pm
They still need a probie agent. Miss Bishop is weak and does nothing.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:21 am
McGee was much the same as Bishop when he first joined the team….
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 10:35 pm
Perhaps if de Pablo had left in a mature way, the producers could have dealt with it likewise.
She may have been within her rights to leave just before filming recommenced, but she sure shafted her colleagues.
sadtonyfan
November 11, 2014 @ 2:22 pm
Amen Lee!
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:33 pm
Well, Jesse proved that they always had a back up plan in case an actor decided not to return…..so why didn’t the showrunner have one when Cote announced she wasn’t coming back?
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:10 pm
Riddle me this, batman, why was it announced at upfronts that ALL would be back….
obviously they had to have the assurance from somewhere for that announcement to be made
Beverly
November 10, 2014 @ 9:16 pm
Thank you for saying what a lot of other sites won’t. I think you have expressed perfectly what many long time fans feel. Good job!
Johanna
November 10, 2014 @ 9:11 pm
The buzz is in Malta ;-)
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:00 pm
Well I’m looking forward to this episode and enjoying this season more than for several years.
I’m excited to see the episode, why would I want to speculate on something I haven’t yet seen? I’ve also spent the last couple of years watching others speculating online about upcoming episodes and then being disappointed that the script they have come up with was not the one actually filmed. LOL
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Nor do I see most of what you talk about as an issue with the show, it’s a crime procedural not a soap, so no need for most of what you seem to think is ‘missing’ in your first recap paragraph – nor do I see Tony regressing, he’s been allowed to remember that he has skills as an agent again the last couple of seasons for some reason. As to dating – isn’t that something us single folk do in the absence of a long term partner? Is there some sort of cut-off age that I need to be aware of?
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Nor has NCIS a good track record for doing single ‘good villains’, it works much better at the more realistic, more mundane level of crime. Gotta remember that all those old folk can’t follow stories over several episodes…
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And, of course, talking about NCIS online is sooo tedious these days, all the little kiddies having their tantrums and demanding that if they can’t have what they want, then NCIS should be cancelled so that no one else can enjoy it either.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:09 pm
It’s not a soap? This season everyone on the team is dating, married, or has a love interest, including Ducky. Gibbs has a new ex wife. It’s more of a soap now than it has ever been.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:28 pm
You know, I thought this stuff about sock accounts was grandstanding, but your turn of phrase is very much the same as someone I have seen who keeps insulting the remaining cast because de Pablo left – is that coincidence?
There is a fine line between fleshing out characters and turning into soap, Matt seems to be calling for more soap, I’ve said it’s unnecessary and you think there’s too much. Interesting in light of everything else you say.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:35 pm
There’s a lot of conspiracy theories out there and they sure are amusing.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:57 pm
Funny – most of the conspiracy theories that are out there are coming from those whining about cdp/ziva
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:37 pm
Behind the scenes…where the minutae is not playing out on screen. & it’s not a NEW ex for Gibbs – we’ve known about her since the start. She’s just finally being identified.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:16 pm
And the sexiest ex-wife Gibbs has ever had! :-)
Anita
November 10, 2014 @ 8:59 pm
Thank you for being brave and expressing feelings of many-many fans!
I really have some questions to producers of the show. And the first one is why the departure of the character who they are saying is replaceable changed that show so much?
Why fans still have to warm up and give some time for a character they don’t really like? Why Bishop is considered as a young cutie who still needs to fill someone shoes? She never will..you know.When Cote came to NCIS she was younger but just think about that amazing season 3! Furious,fresh and wonderful character who didn’t need any outside supporters and all she has was her brilliantly written character and talent to bring it on!
Why is Tony’s back to one-night stands is ‘organic’? He is a mentor,really? No, he is someone who lost his way and any sense of being in that show. When a young man is a playboy in his 30s it could be somehow cute but in late 40s it’s disturbing and disgusting.
When exactly the powerful and breathtaking show became the Nickelodeon type one?
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:38 pm
Wow….anyone can answer those questions – don’t need to ask the producers.
Anna690710
November 10, 2014 @ 8:55 pm
NCIS lost its class after Ziva’s exit!
Ziva was a complex and well defined character, now Bishop is completely useless (that happens when producers hire an actress who cannot do ANY fighting scenes) and Tony acts like a brainless immature guy sleeping with every woman around!
Gibbs is like a lovely uncle who protects Bishop from the bad guys!
If the whole situation doesn’t change soon I hope season 12 will be the last because it’s a shame what NCIS has become!
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 9:01 pm
Pull the other one it’s got bells on! If you think Ziva was complex, God help us!! Forrest Gump was more complex than she ever was.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:40 pm
NCIS gained evern more class with ziva’s exit….they actually used the character’s backstory to write her out.
& I’m just rolling here over the idea of ziva being complex & well-defined. What show were you watching? NCIS – the fanfic?
Bishop is anything but useless. Not getting what fighting scenes have to do with anything. & ummm – what about the daddy card & wobbly lip ziva used to keep Gibbs in line for 4 seasons?
The fantasy here is unreal
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:47 pm
Bishop has nothing to contribure, certainly not smarts. This week she’s going to stomp her foot and yell at Gibbs like a 13 year old, ready to burst into tears. I’m sure you will eat it up, because it’s Bishop.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:58 pm
Bishop does a lot more than ziva ever did….her brains have been processing new info since she joined the team as a probie agent.
Guessing that the scene that has the haters up in arms this week is another pointed jab at them from the show. Counting on most of them missing the clue train
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 11:02 pm
Oh is that the excuse now? She turned stupid because her big brain was used up on learning to be an agent? You’re hilarious.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:49 am
there is no need for any excuses for Bishop….she’s great! and she’s still learning – mastering a new skill set, something the mossad barbie doll would never lower herself to do
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:10 pm
“Still learning” yes the most popular excuse.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:23 am
shrug…it’s not an excuse…it’s a fact about the character.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:44 pm
Yes, that’s the line I’m hearing these days about Bishop. Ziva learned pretty quickly yet Bishop is still grasping at straws.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:15 pm
Superziva had nothing to learn according to her ‘fans’
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:43 pm
Oh, the same information that McGee or Abby can find out themselves?
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:14 pm
Obviously not…
Abby processes evidence and finds clues from that.
McGee is a FIELD agent – fortunately no longer tied to his keyboard
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:42 pm
Oh, this is funny after seeing Bishop almost cry in front of Gibbs the other night cause he wouldn’t give her a chance. Ziva never had to beg for chances like Bishop is doing.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:13 pm
Of course she didn’t…she just waggled saving Gibbs and wobbled her lip playing the daddy card and he caved to everything she wanted
Ray
November 10, 2014 @ 10:56 pm
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lost it’s class…you obviously thought it was the Mossad Barbie Hour….the class has and always will be the Core 4.
sadtonyfan
November 11, 2014 @ 2:31 pm
Ziva was a cross between a soap opera diva and a cartoon super hero. She was about as complex as any mary sue-esque teenage boy’s wet dream. She was an awfully written character and IMO, the show lost a multitude of IQ points from around season 7 on. Tony’s character was sacrificed so that Ziva could be golden and no one at the top cared. I still don’t see much evidence that tptb are sincere about giving Tony his mojo back as the writers just give all the drama and excitement to Gibbs now. Every time there is a spoiler about Tony, it creates some buzz, but tptb don’t capitalize on it because they seem far more interested in pushing absolutely any cast member into the spotlight but Tony, unless of course it’s the “humor” portion of the show. They’ve squandered Michael Weatherly’s dramatic abilities for years in order to give ALL the juicy writing to Ziva and Gibbs. What a shame and a bore.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:46 pm
Actually, it’s Gibbs that gets pushed to the front now, when it used to be about all the other characters helping each other out as a team.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:12 pm
It was always Gibbs in the front….usually it was ziva there next to him with McGee chained to his keyboard (without Tony’s help) and Tony sitting there uselessly brought out as the butt-of-the-joke comic relief
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 8:52 pm
Quite frankly this article is a load of codswallop. Just because the writer has lost interest doesn’t mean the rest of the fanbase has. Furthermore, the episodes are much better this season, better than they have been for a long time. We’re getting to see real cohesion among the team members while still being a dysfunctional family.
I really don’t think we need superfantastic badder than bad adversary arc running throughout the season, I mean that’s real old hat.
I enjoy the episodes we’re getting this season, they’re stimulating and different.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 10:02 pm
Agreed, BFB. I’m not a fan of the “big season-arching baddie”, mostly because NCIS has never really done it well, with the exception of Ari (and maybe La Grenouille, I’m on the fence about that one). Very few shows do that sort of thing well, unfortunately.
Liz
November 10, 2014 @ 8:51 pm
Despite your yeoman’s effort to sound neutral, it is still obvious that you are a TIVA fan at heart. Everything you see and say is from that bias. For those of us who look at NCIS from a more realistic viewpoint, we feel like the show is better than ever. I liked Ziva well enough even though her entire story line was totally unrealistic.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 8:51 pm
I have always found Matt to be very fair.
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:42 am
This is my first time reading him, but it may be the last. He sounds like he writes from a very slanted viewpoint. That doesn’t sound like “honesty” to me. Fanboy whining I can do without.
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 8:54 pm
Well, unlike other reporters….Matt is very honest when it comes to the show….which I find very refreshing.
If we want to talk about being realistic, let’s talk about the ratings this season….they’re not bringing in the 19+ million viewers or 3.0+ demo weekly. You should ask yourself why this is happening.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:04 pm
People only ever consider an article to be ‘honest’ when it matches their own opinion.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:12 pm
He’s not afraid to say things that the network wouldn’t be pleased with.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:45 pm
honest? This column hasn’t put out a shred of honesty in the last year & a 1/2.
The honesty came out when the people from TCA told the ziva fans exactly what they thought of the campaign, letters & phone calls.
Pull the ratings again, marla…still over 20 million. Can’t blame the show because people’s viewing habits have changed & they’ve gone more towards DVR, online & on demand. Maybe you should just demand that people put their tv viewing first instead of having lives.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:22 pm
Oh, you mean the 20+ million ratings they get for L+7, which is dropping with every new episode????
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:18 pm
viewing patterns change, Marla…going to have to accept that at some point. it’s more DVR, on-demand and online now
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:38 am
Who cares? I am more interested in the show itself. It’s nice that it is the No. 1 scripted drama, but that’s just icing on the cake.
Anna690710
November 10, 2014 @ 8:59 pm
That’s complete nonsense! There is no character on NCIS as unrealistic as Bishop!
Federal agents don’t sit on the floor and I am glad the real agents know how to handle the bad guys and a gun!
Bishop could be an elite agent in a cartoon or kid’s show!
She’s ridiculous!
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:03 pm
LOL There is nothing more unrealistic than a Mossad plant in a US law enforcement agency.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:13 pm
Abby isn’t realistic, but she SELLS it, just like Ziva sold her unrealistic story line. Bishop doesn’t sell lit.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:41 pm
That’s a personal opinion.
I don’t find either Abby or Bishop to be any more unrealistic than anyone else.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:43 pm
ziva didn’t sell anything
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:42 pm
A Mossad assassin gets full access to confidential military info & a federal agency. Now THAT was unrealistic.
How do you know real agents & real employees don’t sit on the floor?
Bishop is a great probie – love her!
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:24 pm
Oh, maybe we should have Matt talk to a real NCIS agent and have him ask them if NCIS agents sit on the floor to do their job?
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:17 pm
lol – Matt wouldn’t be unbiased enough for any article like that.
Best to send Wilman or someone from the TCA. oh, I know….that guy from Utah who just LOVES the ziva fans and their ‘campaigns’
Margarete
November 10, 2014 @ 10:28 pm
So insulting Matt for a great article is YOUR way of being neutral!
How cheap!
But it’s funny that you say you liked Ziva!
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:51 am
insult where? he’s been biased about the show for a long time….
great article? no – he either wrote what he thinks about S12 – which is still biased; or he wrote what he needed to in order to get hits for his page
truth hurts huh?
Crystal Miller
November 10, 2014 @ 8:47 pm
CBS please bring Cote de Pablo back as Ziva David.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:59 pm
So what cote wants in this doesn’t count as long as she’s back as ziva right?
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:36 pm
Oh, really, and how do you know what Cote wants? She did state in that TV Guide interview that she’s open to guest appearances…which means they should ask her….and with her being back on CBS, maybe she’ll make a guest appearance this season!
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 4:07 pm
You know better- if one is smart, they NEVER close the door on a job – especially in H’wood. cdp was very politically correct in that interview but CW has said over and over again that the likelihood of her coming back is slim.
the idea that she’d guest this season is laughable….but just so long as it warms your little ziva/tiva heart
JS Li
November 10, 2014 @ 8:46 pm
If you like Bishop, join her on the floor and fail to kick down doors
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 9:28 pm
What’s so important about kicking down doors?! Gordon Bennett! What a deranged bunch you all are!
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 9:59 pm
Not seeing what the floor & doors have to do with it
Ray
November 10, 2014 @ 10:54 pm
Lmao, you realize that nobody kicks those secure hotel doors in, which is why they always have a master key or manager with a key open it? That’s why it was a JOKE, probie hazing…
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 11:01 pm
It made her look like an idiot.
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:19 am
Making characters look like idiots has been passing for humor on this show for quite some time, it’s hardly unique to Bishop.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:26 pm
And therein lies the problem! It wasn’t always like this. I wonder why?
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:19 pm
of course it was! from the get go it was like that….
in recent history it was just focused on Tony and came from your gal
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 8:44 pm
Hard to believe that in Tues. episode we’ll see Tony deciding on adopting a cat. Especially when he already has fishes at home. If this is the most they’ve got to show us with Tony ‘moving on’…..it leaves something to be desired. As for the necklace in the drawer, that was the 2nd time he closed the drawer on the necklace. And we haven’t heard Tony say that he’s moved on from Ziva…..only that he’s tried to do that.
As for Bishop, isn’t it kinda late to be bringing up her issues now….a year after she started? What we’re missing with this show as well is for Bishop to be another agent that proves she can handle field work like Kate and Ziva did. So far all I’ve seen are action scenes where she’s fallen flat.
And let’s not forget these days, the show is all about Gibbs and how he saves the day. With the help of his team. Of which we already have two geniuses (McGee and Abby) and didn’t need a 3rd one….and Tony’s the SFA but only gets to show that every once in a great while.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 8:53 pm
I guess this is what counts as character develop now for Tony. God knowns he’s not allowed to be a competent agent any more.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:00 pm
Tony wasn’t a competent agent from Season 7 on….He was the one being forced to duck behind ziva so that the character was shown as the golden child
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:30 pm
And now that Ziva’s gone….Tony’s still not being shown as the competent agent that much. We’re in our 2nd season without Ziva and still very little forward movement with Tony.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:21 pm
better watch again….your uber focus on needing ziva and tiva is impairing your view
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:03 pm
Plenty of houses have cats & fish co-existing. Not seeing the point. As far as the necklace, so what if it sits int he drawer. Or does your little tiva heart need him to chuck it in the garbage as proof that the show has moved on?
So I guess that bringing in new issues for ziva throughout the character’s run on the show didn’t define as late in your book? Only showing Bishop’s issues does? It took Tim a good amount of time to prove he could do something other than carry the equipment that wasn’t computer related. Were you whining then, marla?
Were you whining when it was Gibbs saving the day with ziva right by his side?
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:29 pm
No, that would be you whining that Gibbs saved the day with Ziva right by his side…..while the rest of us saw it as the team saving the day alongside Gibbs!
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:20 pm
really? never saw McGee and Tony alongside Gibbs….that makes it a duo, not a team
sadtonyfan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:39 am
If there’s a lack of buzz it’s because viewers tend to be older than the crowd that lives online. Also, not all of us live to see the next version of Gibbs saves the day. That scenario is NOT surprising. It seems to be the law at NCIS. TPTB seem to completely disregard and ignore the idea that Weatherly fans would like to see Tony do something besides flirt or gawk in awe as super Gibbs saves the day yet again. I don’t care a flip about GIbbs anymore because he is soooooooo over exposed. I want to see Tony get some real business but I guess the writers aren’t allowed to write that.
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:07 pm
Amen to that. Once again he has nothing to do this season but hold the clicker.
Samantha Smith
November 10, 2014 @ 8:40 pm
I respectfully disagree with most of this article. I for one am thrilled it is no longer the “The Ziva Show” and we have gotten back the the NCIS I loved that centered around the team and a competent Tony as SFA. I am enjoying the dynamic between Bishop and the rest of team. It is very refreshing to watch a character that owns up their mistakes instead of blaming everyone else.
The ratings I read about are on par but may be slightly skewed with the inclusion of the DVR+ numbers.
Almost every week Entertainment Tonight and Extra have something about NCIS in their Tuesday installments. And my Google alerts come up with a fair amount of articles about the show on a daily basis.
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 8:50 pm
Oh, when was the last time Entertainment Tonight have anything on NCIS cause I watch it every night???
As for the ratings, after 5 episodes in Season 12….the L+7 data ratings are below what they were for Season 11.
As for google alerts, I’ve been getting those google alerts for several years and guess what….the buzz is down.
Another question to ask is, why aren’t the actors promoting the show on Twitter? Only person that does that these days is Pauley Perrette.
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 8:57 pm
Maybe the actors aren’t promoting because they’re tired of being berated by those of your ilk, who only know how to whine and whinge because CdP left of her own volition.
Anita
November 10, 2014 @ 9:04 pm
Sure..Meanwhile some of them have no issue to follow and talk to the same Cote’s fans and talk about her in general.Go ahead tell him to stop whining!
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:08 pm
I’ve always heard that following someone is a great way to keep an eye on their tweets & make sure none are missed…you know, to be able to screen cap what’s said & send it to one’s legal staff for slander & libel
Anita
November 10, 2014 @ 10:32 pm
So..you really think he is talking to us just to screen cap all conversation and then WHAT? Complain to GG?And what exactly so bad he can capture? Something worse then your folks comments on ALLNCIS forums? Or on IMDB forums? Like desire to send Ziva to Nazi camp and see what happens – and,please ,do not tell me that didn’t happen.
Also,doesn’t matter what did you hear – what matters is him not giving a sh** about your buds complains or desperate for his attention some his co-stars tweets and him actually chatting to Cote’s fans.Deal with that!
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 10:37 pm
Which episode was Ziva sent to a Nazi camp???
Anita
November 10, 2014 @ 10:46 pm
The episode from some Ziva haters dream.Thank God not the real one. :)
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:12 am
it’s a fake story….you do realize that ziva isn’t real, yes?
Lee
November 13, 2014 @ 2:36 pm
Would that be the same dream where de Pablo & Weatherly arrange for Weatherly’s wife to be murdered to get her out of the way of their ‘great love story’?
I know which idea is the really sick one.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:54 pm
He’s an adult and he follows who he wants to follow.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:30 am
Why would he complain to GG about what’s said when I’m sure he has access to his own lawyer for the crap that was put out about his family over there by the couple he follows?
Never saw anything about Nazis in a comment about ziva. But you know – ziva doesn’t exist…fictional character and all that…so anything said about this non-existent creature wouldn’t hold any weight in comparison to the crap that’s been said over the years about MW’s family by the MOTE shippers and over the last year and a half to the whole cast and the writers from those who can’t allow an actress to control her own career and life
Anita
November 11, 2014 @ 5:04 am
You know very well he is not screencaping anything.He is having fun OUTSIDE of the show and NOT with the people you you want to see.You just can’t take it.
Ziva is fictional…Cote is not.Do you want to see your beloved screen caps from YOUR forum about Cote? BTW..Tony is fictional too..and Bishop..why are you so obsessed and bothered then?
MOTE? Well..he LOVES the girl who is like 1000s fangirls is a fan of her fave couple.He is tweeting to her and congratulating her BD.If he is not bothered why are you? You think you are his angel-savior? Well…hate to break for you – he doesn’t need your protection.And of course you can sit and wait when he will go to ..where exactly..right to LEGALS.LOL…
And since when after 8 years of obsessive hate you care about Cote? Stop it – she is FINE and she is young.She has all her career ahead.I hope she will stay far away from that sinking mess.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:11 am
No one knows if he’s screencaping or not…but given the MOTE crap that’s been sent to him over the years wouldn’t surprise me if he was since he’s a very smart man. He also knows how to play both sides of the fence and stay in middle ground to reduce the amount of crap he takes from the psycho part of the fanbase.
Screen caps? go for it adriana. email or fb message me if you want…
ahh yes the little mote shipper….loves her? rofl…sure he does…nice delusion
don’t care about cdp – don’t know her….but sick of you and your buds acting like what you want is what all ncis fans want because it isn’t and never has been. As it has been from the old forums, bud, it’s still the same. so nice to say you and your gang just never change
Anita
November 11, 2014 @ 5:25 am
Why I would email that to you? I am sure you read them.What exactly you want to read? How you and your friends were coming up with theories about Cote’s casting? Disgusting theories.If I want to make a scandal with the names I’ll just put it
on Tumbler..or Twitter.
Delusions are your world.He is not going to copy because there is nothing to copy! He is not talking or following crazies from any side.And YES – you can tear yourself apart – he likes to talk to people who’s names make you scream.And I never try to hide who I am – I put on Twitter my name I use here.That is my daughter account.
Again – sit and wait- maybe you will see what do you want to.LOL..I hope you have patience for eternity.
Now excuse me..I’ve spent here way more time then I should.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:50 am
Go ahead and throw it on twitter adrianna….perfect place for it…let me know when you post it too please…
I’m not you and your buddies….I don’t scream and throw tantrums over what an actor or actress chooses to do. Don’t care who they talk to or don’t talk to. That temper tantrum belongs to your group
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 2:49 pm
Well, how nice for Anna to start ‘calling’ people out. As for screen caps…..let’s just say we have a whole bunch of screen caps about some people who hated Cote for years. Oh, yea, you want to go there, Anna, let’s go there!
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:25 pm
ziva = fictional character
cote = ‘actress’
unlike you guys it’s completely possible to hate a character or dislike an actress.
I don’t give a crap if you ‘go there’, marla. if you don’t know that by now, shrug…
I’m not the one who regularly insults GG, MH, the writers everywhere. I’m not the one who insulted MH on twitter in a long rant nor am I the one who promised a ‘US style shooting spree’ if tiva wasn’t end game.
I’m sure you and your buddies have stuff from the old CBS boards and tv line just like anyone else does. who really cares
Lee
November 13, 2014 @ 2:32 pm
Right. So why does de Pablo need your “protection”?
She’s a grown woman who knows her own mind – sadly for you what she wants doesn’t appear to be what you want.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:53 pm
That’s why you follow Ziva fans, but Michael Weatherly can ask staff to do it for him rather than personally follow fans.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:05 am
don’t follow anyone….
and I certainly wouldn’t waste my time with you guys
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 9:27 pm
Oh, please…..where were you when Sean Murray was tweeting with the fans yesterday or Brian Dietzen was tweeting with the fans on Sat.?
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 9:29 pm
Ever heard of a little thing called work? a personal life? not all of us spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week logged in. You must lead a sorry life if you need to be connected so much.
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 9:32 pm
Oh, please, give it a break. Sean doesn’t tweet that much and the fans were delighted to hear from him and from Brain as they don’t tweet….and shouldn’t they be spending time with their families instead of tweeting the fans? :-)
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:28 am
Given the crap that SM’s SIL got from opbbc I’m surprised he tweets at all. ditto for BD –
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:35 pm
I thought you just said that only Perrette is promoting the show on twitter?
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:41 pm
Brian and Sean weren’t promoting the show.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:52 pm
Have they left the cast, too, then?
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:06 pm
Were they tweeting with fans about the show?
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 10:46 pm
Oh, Pauley promotes the show when a new episode airs…..don’t know why the others won’t promote it every time. :-)
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:06 pm
Given the treatment you & your buddies haven foisted ont he cast & writers for the last year & a half can anyone blame them if they aren’t on twitter come Tuesday nights promoting the show?
Beyond that – EW is married, SM & MW are both married with young kids in the house. There’s this thing called having a life when not on set.
Anita
November 11, 2014 @ 4:27 am
Of course! And all of sudden with sharply aged viewers of NCIS they all remember in S11 and S12 that they have kids and no time to tweet – specially to tweet about the show.BTW Sean is tweeting,
Talking about MW mainly because never read or care about EW tweets.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:00 am
He’s tweeted…just not as much as in the past…and SM is tweeting more now after disappearing for a few years after the rotten way he was treated by fans on twitter after his weight loss…
hhhmm….connection…MW is getting crap from the ziva / tiva fans both towards himself and about his family and now he’s not tweeting as much as he used to…..
betting the correlation is so over the heads of some
Anita
November 11, 2014 @ 5:11 am
Connections- he is tweeting mainly with Cote fans.Probably he is a masochist if he is tweeting with those who are bulling him.So much logic here.But..hey..I am talking to someone who was stubbornly chanting ‘she put gun and assaulted him’..so,that is ok.Go ahead and say again that we are the ones who are bulling him.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:46 am
I don’t have to say a thing adrianna…it’s on his twitter feed and searchable even by those of us who choose not to do twitter. Just like tumbler is
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 2:53 pm
Well, they all have families yet SM and BD took the time over the weekend to tweet and respond to questions about Cote. They didn’t have to do that but they did.
annsan
November 13, 2014 @ 3:01 pm
From what I was told, he wasn’t on for long & backed off as soon as the questions turned to the topic of which co-star he enjoyed working with better. Plus he’d disappeared again after needing to tell a fan off & taking heat from it.
It’s too bad OpBBC & ‘the army’ don’t get that the more the gripe at the cast about cdp/ziva & EW/Ellie the more they will only succeed in driving them away. After all, the cast & the writers are busy putting a show together & living in the present. Not the past like OpBBC and a certain ex-writer.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 8:50 pm
ET is just the mouthpiece for CBS public relations. It doesn’t count as buzz.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:04 pm
Which is why it isn’t on CBS
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 10:55 pm
But CBS does own ET!
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:57 pm
You realize it’s owned by CBS, yes?
Christopher
November 10, 2014 @ 9:39 pm
I don’t need a Ziva show and if Ms de Pablo doesn’t want to come back it’s fine for me but Bishop will NEVER be an agent and Emily Wickersham is completely free of talent!
Ziva replaced Kate (my favorite) and I could live with it but Bishop can’t be more ridiculous!
NCIS agents are supposed to be trained elite agents and Bishop is like a high school girl visiting her Dad at work!
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:04 pm
Elite? Where is that in the job description? oh yeah, it’s not.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:56 pm
MCRT is an elite team.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:58 am
Blackadder – not elite
Kate – not elite when she started
Tony – talented but just a cop when he started
McGee – definitely not elite til about season 5
ziva – never elite; had far too many issues to be on any team much less the MCRT
Gibbs – a gunny – that’s his only qualification that we know of. how is he elite? (& no, kryptonite in coffee doesn’t count)
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:00 pm
Kate – Secret Service with Yankee White clearance.
Ziva – member of Kidon unit in Mossad.
McGee – MIT trained IT specialist and great hacker.
Gibbs – sniper.
Tony – No specialty but an experienced street cop.
All elite.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:27 am
Kate – still nothing special
McGee – yippee for MIT. Still doesn’t make him elite. If he was that great, he wouldn’t have been at NCIS
Gibbs – plenty of snipers in the military. try again
Tony – he might be my favorite but even I know that he’s not elite.
ziva – being an assassin for mossad doesn’t make her elite. Neither does her anger management and chain of command issues. Hadar knew she was trouble. Likely she’d never have hung around in Mossad if not for daddy dearest
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 2:55 pm
And wasn’t McGee already an NCIS agent when the team met him in Sub Rosa?
Felix
November 10, 2014 @ 11:52 pm
Nobody needs a job description!
Probie was responsible for two dead marines!
No marine would tolerate a Barbie girl who wants to play agent but doesn’t have any skills and this is exactly what Bishop is: a useless Barbie girl!
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 4:55 am
Federal employees – they have job descriptions.
Gibbs is the one who left a rookie there. Blame him.
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:01 pm
I blame both Gibbs and Bishop. For all I know he hired her so they both wouldn’t get investigated for that debacle. That’s the best reason I can think of he would offer her a job after that.
Virginia
November 10, 2014 @ 8:27 pm
I think the buzz left with Cote de Pablo. They used Ziva for some pretty emotionally charged storylines and when you couple that with the constant Tiva teasing over the years, people feel short-changed. The dating storylines don’t feel natural with Tony (to me) because even Gary Glasberg claimed he was slowly “getting there” with Tony and Ziva, making fans feel like their payoff was eventually coming. It’s like watching NCIS: Pod People – these characters that you loved are doing things that make no sense anymore. I think their only recourse is to get CdP back (regardless of why she left, everybody has a price) or nip it before it dies a slow and painful death.
Hurlman
November 10, 2014 @ 8:40 pm
Virginia – YOU stole the words right out of my mouth. I agree with every word. As James Whitmore Jr. said on the DVD – how wise and brave of him to say it – ‘ Tony and Zivas relationship is what moved NCIS forward.’ I believe it ! I am sure those in power will deny that one actress held so much power – but it was really Ziva’s reaction with ALL the characters that made the show enjoyable to watch. Now – it is all GIBBS GIBBS GIBBS – and it is dull dull dull. Hard to build a story around a GRUNT and a boat !
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:15 pm
It’s been Gibbs since season 1 ep 1…where’ve you been?
Lee
November 11, 2014 @ 8:27 am
I heard that comment on the DVD, and it intrigued me that someone that involved with production could be so out of touch with the viewers.
The overall reaction to those episodes proves that he just doesn’t ‘get’ the people who are watching or why.
JS Li
November 10, 2014 @ 8:47 pm
Cote or not, the Bishop stuff has spoilt the show. Sitting on the floor, cannot kick down doors, snacking, trying to be a smart alec, disobeying Gibbs. And showing no love to her husband on the phone.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:14 pm
Bishop is a great character – wonderful addition…love her to bits!
starfyre
November 12, 2014 @ 9:36 pm
Most people cannot kick down doors. Sitting on the floor is not a crime the last time I checked. Food is often used on the show, as people do need to eat. Tony is a smarta@@ quite a lot, and sometimes bosses **should** be questioned. As far as not showing love to her husband, what do you want her to do, make kissy-kissy sucky noises and say, “I wuvs you forever my darling, and I can’t wait to get home and make wild, hot passionate LURVE TO you!”
Do you see how ridiculous your complaints are now?
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 8:51 pm
Bishop is boring as a ball of dust, and the other characters have become boring in her force field.
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 8:55 pm
Bishop is a highly entertaining character and has brought a new zing to the other characters complementing them instead of trying to get one over on the others. Now we have a real team.
However, if that’s not your cup of tea, then why watch? Go find somewhere else to play
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:05 pm
a zing? lol! She’s boring. The other characters only get their brains back when they leave her side. There’s no team. Tony isn’t allowed to be an agent. Bishop does nothing.
Beverly
November 10, 2014 @ 9:25 pm
Zing? lol I must have missed something. I haven’t seen any zing.
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 9:26 pm
To each their own, as I’ve said before why watch if you’re not interested any longer, talk about being a glutton for punishment.
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 9:30 pm
Well, why don’t you ask the anti-Ziva fans who watched the show while attacking Cote de Pablo fans for years? They’ll tell you cause they watch for other characters, just like I will tell you that I watch for other characters as well, especially Tony and McGee. :-)
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:13 pm
because bypassing scenes with ziva was easy because they mattered little to the overall storyline.
& I’m laughing here at this claim that you watch for Tony & McGee….
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:59 pm
I thought you said it was the Ziva show, so bypassing her scenes would make the story impossible to follow.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:16 am
it was zcis….didn’t mean it wasn’t easy to bypass her scenes
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:03 pm
So her scenes mattered greatly to the overall storyline.
Walter
November 10, 2014 @ 10:13 pm
Bishop might do nothing but that nothing ruins the show!
10 years of all great actors and now this blonde disaster!
I have continued watching because I trusted the producers and writers but Bishop is still there, what a let-down!
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:27 am
Oh, please! You poor thing!! That’s just a pathetic excuse to sit here and bitch abd moan. Get real!
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 9:35 pm
Well, if Bishop has brought zing to the show then why are the ratings falling every week??? And don’t give me crap about how the ratings are falling for every show cause we’re only talking about NCIS right now.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:38 pm
But that’s the thing, Marla. NCIS doesn’t exist in a vacuum. If only NCIS’ ratings were falling then, yes, you might have a point. But it’s not only NCIS’ ratings that are falling, it’s ratings across the board. And there have been numerous articles, some by very reputable publications such as the Washington Post, stating that all networks are being affected, and that it’s how people are watching TV now that’s affecting the ratings.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:43 pm
I think you mean CBS ratings are falling. Last I checked, NBC is doing fine.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:48 pm
Well, according to an article on MediaPost two weeks ago, NBC was down 7% over last year in that key 18-49 demographic everyone seems to think is so important. CBS was actually up 16%, although that was due in large part to NFL football. ABC also lost 7%, and Fox lost a whopping 33% over last year’s numbers.
The full article is here:
www (dot) mediapost (dot) com/publications/article/236944/nbc-posts-best-ratings-numbers-fox-is-big-loser.html
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:11 pm
+7…it’s this thing called a DVR & online, marla
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:23 am
If you are complaining about NCIS *still* being the number one scripted drama, my goodness! Just what will make you hapoy?
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:35 pm
Agreed, BFB. I like the gentle teasing that’s going on this season, and love the Tony/Tim dynamic. And I love the friendship that seems to have developed (or been developed) between Abby and Ellie.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:42 pm
You mean the friendship that appeared out of the blue with no previous development.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:58 pm
Yup, just like the one between Kate and Abby, and Ziva and Abby for that matter. The only relationship Abby has had with a new character coming onto the show that has actually been developed from scratch, not sprung fully formed from the writers’ brows, is the one between Tim and Abby.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 10:58 pm
No, we saw Ziva and Abby’s relationsihp develop.
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 3:29 am
Name the eps….because abby sure never seemed to see ziva as the BFF she saw Kate as
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:10 pm
Emotionally charged storylines? You mean that caterwauling she did when they killed off Eli? & not sure why anyone would feel shortchanged over a non-romance that was never going to be in anything other than fanfic.
Storylines change….they changed drastically mid-season 10. That was very obvious. cdp is gone with other plans for her life. ziva fans are just going to have to accept that
Marianne Gibson
November 12, 2014 @ 4:40 pm
Annsan…obviously you’re a Ziva hater. You gave a comment for everything and again. ..it is only your reality
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 5:17 pm
LOL –
Finding it very funny that not liking a character makes one a hater in the minds of ziva fans but yet they can bash EW & Bishop anywhere & everywhere & boy do they yell when the tables are turned on them & they are labeled as haters.
Can’t have it both ways
Marianne Gibson
November 12, 2014 @ 5:46 pm
Truth is the truth. And I never denied not liking Bishop but I do deny hating the actress EW. Never Said anything bad anout her. It’s not her fault her character us weak and brings nothing to the table that McGee and Abby doesn’t already do. I blame GG, MH and the writers. By the way…I’m a writer too so I know a lot about story lines, strength of character and whar people want. If I didn’t my books wouldn’t sell. Bye bye Annsan
annsan
November 12, 2014 @ 7:12 pm
you’re still a hater based on the formula you (& others) use to label anyone who doesn’t like ziva
Marianne Gibson
November 12, 2014 @ 7:45 pm
The onlt5 “labeling” done here is by you. Have a great day
Lee
November 13, 2014 @ 2:28 pm
Yet elsewhere you label some viewers as “Ziva haters”.
.
Not all viewers like every character, but there are some massive double standards here, when those who complained about the scripted behavior of a character were labelled as ‘haters’ by people now demanding that another actor be fired because they don’t like her character.
.
Your halo is tarnished.
Marianne Gibson
November 13, 2014 @ 9:04 pm
What halo? You saying I’m an angel? Why thank you!
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:27 pm
snort – that claim of innocence is unbelievable
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:26 pm
2 days ago you began this thread by calling me a ‘hater’.
want to try again?
Marianne Gibson
November 14, 2014 @ 7:00 pm
What for? You’re going to believe what you will. And so will I. Harmon and GG have allowed “bruised” egos to ruin…and I do mean ruin…a once good show. The demos are at their lowest: 2.3 Wow.
annsan
November 15, 2014 @ 6:49 am
bruised egos? doubt that…they are running the show period. Too bad some are unable to move past ziva and see Ellie as the great character she is.
as far as demos go, CBS has always gone by the one that starts at 25. beyond that anyone in entertainment journalism knows NCIS skews older than 18-49. the show is still a hit and bringing in great numbers. if the ziva fen can’t handle that,then that’s their issue – not the show’s
Marianne Gibson
November 15, 2014 @ 7:00 pm
And that demo is for the for the age range you quoted. As for running the show i stand by what I said: they are ruining tge show. Last reply. You believe what you will and so will I. Enjoy the boring Bishop.
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:18 am
Got tired of The Ziva Show. Glad it’s over. I like Bishop and believe she will develop as time goes by.
Dido Twite
November 10, 2014 @ 8:22 pm
For me a lot of it is Bishop. I just don’t care about her being a probie. She looks like a lost teenager writing a book report. I care even less about her husband. What stories can she bring? There’s nothing interesting about her, and the more they “develop” her, the clearer it is she’s a nothing character.
Totally agree about Tony regressing. He is being wasted on these storylines. I miss the Tony who scoured the Middle East looking for Ziva. The one who knew how to be a real agent.
I think the producers are just resting on their asses and phoning it in.
Tintigorri
November 10, 2014 @ 8:59 pm
If you detest the storylines so much, why watch? Nobody’s forcing you to.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:16 pm
I don’t Lucie….
Bishop is just a great character….& it’s fun for the team to have a probie again…it’s been far too long.
Tony isn’t regressing anymore though. MW is letting him out of the imposed ziva box he’d been in since season 7.
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:49 am
Au contraire! Tony was a buffoon for years and has only been able to act like a grown man since he has been free from Ziva.
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:06 pm
I think he’s been a bigger idiot for the last year than he has ever been. Unless your idea of a grown man is bath salts and colon cleanses.
Marla
November 13, 2014 @ 3:25 pm
Don’t forge the cat….that ran away from him! And I thought Tony was a dog person.
annsan
November 14, 2014 @ 5:28 pm
MW is the dog person…unfortunately Tony is whatever the writer writes him as & Monreal has NEVER gotten Tony
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 8:20 pm
Wow, really? You might feel that the show is going downhill, but I’m enjoying it more this season than I have in ages. I disagree that Tony has regressed, unless you mean we’re finally getting to see the competent!Tony we used to get before he was forced to be an idiot so other characters could look better and throw their weight around.
With the addition of Ellie Bishop, we’re seeing Tony as a mentor, passing on what he has learned. In the Gibbs vs. the pirates episode, we saw him step in and take charge of the situation on the Navy ship, stepping up to be the SFA he should be.
Yes, the serial dating bit was tired, but that was addressed in the last episode, and Tony is finally ready to move on (if there was anything to actually move on from) – hence, putting Ziva’s necklace in the drawer and firmly shutting it. And with the return of Zoe Keates – the wonderful Marisol Nichols – in an upcoming episode, it looks like he might actually be moving on to someone who respects and cares for him, and whom he deserves.
Hurlman
November 10, 2014 @ 8:46 pm
Not surprised – you have always HATED Ziva / Cote – your name is well known along with Anna and the 4 other vipers.
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:05 pm
Wrong. I have never hated either the character or the actress (and I, unlike some others, can tell the two apart).
I disliked Ziva when she first began on the show, as I was a fan of Kate and I didn’t understand why they would add a spy/assassin for a foreign government to a primarily investigative team dealing with crimes against the Navy and Marine Corps. However, I grew to like and respect Ziva in her middle seasons – I feel that was where the best writing for her was.
Then came the Rivkin arc, and I found myself disliking her again. And yes, I never thought she should have been let back on the team after Aliyah, but it was what it was and I accepted it. There were episodes I liked her in after that, but then came season 10, and that’s when she became all but irredeemable to me. Had she been in season 11, I would have continued watching (because I love the show, and the rest of the cast and characters) but they would have had to do some pretty fancy footwork for me to accept Ziva being back on the team again.
As to Cote de Pablo, I’ve always said she is a fine actress. I’m glad she has found roles that she enjoys and that will allow her to stretch her acting chops, and I’m glad she’s doing something that makes her happy.
And, as to my name being well known, at least I have the courage to use my own name and not hide behind a screen handle.
Lee
November 10, 2014 @ 9:57 pm
Math isn’t your strong point, is it?
There are substantially more than 4 ‘vipers’ who love the show regardless of who the female agent is.
Anna690710
November 10, 2014 @ 9:00 pm
If Tony was Bishop’s mentor he would fire her BEFORE her incompetence gets her killed!
Lisa Liscoumb
November 10, 2014 @ 9:06 pm
It’s not his place to fire her. He could suggest it to Gibbs, but since Gibbs personally chose her in the first place, I doubt that would go over well.
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 9:10 pm
Gibbs is the one who should fire her.
Marla
November 10, 2014 @ 9:29 pm
Which means Tony should suggest to Gibbs that he fire Bishop since Gibbs listens or used to listen to his SFA. But hey, we know that won’t happen as long as TPTB are in charge of the show.
annsan
November 10, 2014 @ 10:17 pm
Gibbs hasn’t listened to Tony since SB started writing ziva as having his ear
BlueBelle
November 10, 2014 @ 11:00 pm
SB is gone, ZIva is gone, and Gibbs still doesn’t listen to Tony.
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:17 am
hhmmm…what character was it who got Gibbs at the end in 20 cliks
annsan
November 11, 2014 @ 5:17 am
hhmmm…what character was it who got Gibbs at the end in 20 cliks
BlueBelle
November 11, 2014 @ 8:05 pm
The one who traveled to Russia in 2 hours, then yanked Gibbs into the truck against his will? Gibbs wasn’t “listening” to him.
Liz
November 11, 2014 @ 2:31 am
You can hardly speak for yourself, much less a fictional character.
lea
November 10, 2014 @ 8:18 pm
So true! And Bishop is an awful character! I’m done with this show!
Hurlman
November 10, 2014 @ 8:42 pm
Bishop – Emily Wickersham – sorry to say – is NO ACTRESS.
NO one knows what to do with her – and no one, including ME cares about her one bit.