‘Supernatural’ season 8 spoilers: What’s next for Misha Collins, Jensen Ackles
Even though “Supernatural” has only been off the air for a couple of weeks, doesn’t it feel like so much longer at this point? This is what getting so many consecutive new episodes will do to you: it makes you spoiled, whereas in the summer months you’re used to not having new episodes and it at least feels a little bit more natural.
Luckily, we’ve come to whet your appetite on what is typically a “Supernatural” night by at least providing a little bit of scoop on what is coming up ahead. According to a new report from Entertainment Weekly, next week’s episode is going to get extremely awkward for Castiel (Misha Collins) and Dean (Jensen Ackles). Why’s that? Really, you don’t have to look much further for blame than Amanda Tapping’s character of Naomi, as she is going to be controlling our favorite angel to whole new levels. The pull that she has on him will really test Cas and Dean’s relationship, which is definitely not a good thing considering that Dean has already had enough trouble with strained relationships this year in between Sam and what happened between him and Benny.
Will things be resolved here? The key word is eventually, since we already know that Collins is going to be a regular on the show’s upcoming ninth season. However, that does not mean that Sam and Dean are going to have an easy time dealing with Naomi or any of the other angels that they will be meeting soon.
How long do you think we are going to continue to see Cas struggle with this? If you want to watch both Ackles and Collins talk a little bit about this upcoming episode, you can do so over here.
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Rhiannon
March 17, 2013 @ 6:59 pm
Desiree said…”And I have to say that I love that they are using now the word ‘relationship’ instead of ‘friendship’ for Dean and Cas.”
They also used the term ‘relationship’ to describe Dean’s connections to both Sam and Benny. So I wouldn’t read too much into the use of it to describe Dean and Castiel’s friendship.
I’m sorry but I see nothing romantic at all between Dean and Castiel. This love that’s supposedly so evident between them isn’t registering with me, nor with many other viewers so it’s most certainly not fact/canon. It’s my opinion that the writers every once in a while throw a few crumbs to the Destiel shippers, just to keep them happy, just like the Wincest faction were thrown the co-dependent, erotic love ( or whatever the line was exactly) line from Zachariah in S5.
Hugo
March 17, 2013 @ 5:09 pm
Yeah, let’s just wait and see how their story plays out :)
Whisper Stay
March 17, 2013 @ 4:14 pm
I see your point, but we will just have to see how their story play out
Roxi
March 17, 2013 @ 8:11 am
No, I still don’t believe I would see it. I see Cas’s relationship with the Winchesters as that of their guardian. It seems to me that whether Cas was in a male or female vessel is not the point, and entering into a romantic relationship would be crossing a line. of some sort. To add to that, angels, if I’m following lore correctly, encompass both male and female and have no sense of sexual/romantic attraction. Whether Cas’s vessel was male or female he/she still might not be able to understand or recognize romantic feelings. Cas is not a ‘man’ per se, he is currently inhabiting a human male vessel. I could be wrong about that of course and who knows, it may turn out in the end that you are right and I am wrong.
Hugo
March 17, 2013 @ 5:23 am
Yes, I’m sorry for accusing you of being a bit homophobic, that’s just the impression I got from what you said. But you’ve made it pretty clear that you are not, so I hope you can forgive me.
Whisper Stay, I don’t know about Roxi, but I’m fairly sure that most people would answer that no, if Cas was female everybody would assume that Cas and Dean are in love with each other. I don’t even need to mention again all that they’ve done for each other (or said, like “i need you” or “i’d rather have you” etc.). And that’s what bothers me, because if Cas had been in a female vessel, Cas and Dean would have already made out a long time ago, but because this society is heteronormative, Cas and Dean must be only friends.
Even though the narrative is writing them clearly as in love with each other (Misha himself has said so several times. But even if he hadn’t, it’s not so difficult to see that from a storytelling POV, the narrative just doesn’t make sense anymore if they are meant to be just friends). But, if Carver decides that he doesn’t want to take it any further (and probably won’t) then this romance will remain in the subtext so that both casual heterosexual viewers (the majority) and LGBT+ and Destiel supporters will be happy with it. But the thing is, the LGBT+ community and the shippers will be terribly offended because this is textbook queerbaiting.
Roxi, Dean did indeed let Ellen and Jo sacrifice themselves, because Dean could have perfectly taken Jo to a hospital, he could have said “no, I’m not going to abandon you, period” and that would be it. Suppose it had been Sam, do you think Dean would have just let him burn to have a chance? Of course not. To save the world? OK, he did let Sam sacrifice himself for that cause, but even then he was much more unwilling to do it than in Ellen and Jo’s case. In Cas’ case, at that time I’m sure Dean would have let him sacrifice himself if he had been in Jo’s position (as Dean did in 5.18 for example), because at that time, Dean and Cas were indeed just friends. Now compare it to Season 8’s purgatory storyline and you’ve got your answer.
And Roxi, if you still think it’s debatable, it’s fine. I could mention a lot of more examples about both the Dean and Cas relationship and Dean’s (possible) bisexuality, but I’ve got a feeling that you still wouldn’t agree with me, so I’m just gonna say, wait until this season is over (or season 9) and you might see it for yourself.
Whisper Stay
March 17, 2013 @ 4:39 am
Wait Roxi I don’t recall you answering the question (you might have and I just missed it): If Cas was in a female vessel and not a man’s, would you still support that idea of it being as a close friendship? And I’m not calling you homophobic or anything, I’m just genuinely curious as to what you think, I get that this society is a hetero normative one and sometimes it alters people perspective on things, so by changing the situation, does your outlook on the dynamic change as well?
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 9:12 pm
I’m not reducing their bond as Dean’s obligation to Cas. I’m just pointing out that this is no ordinary being that Dean is good friends with. He’s bound to experience much more with an angel friend than a human one. And yes, I agree that they love eachother as very close friends but I still see it as no more than that.
I disagree that he ‘let’ Ellen and Jo sacrifice themselves. It was more that Jo was basically already dead, and she wanted her death to count for something. And Ellen was a her mother. As a mother myself, I can well attest that we will willingly die for/with our children. There was no way Dean was going to talk her out of this.
I in no way equal Dean’s friendships with those others as anywhere near as close as Cas, except for Bobby. And he would’ve have given his life for Bobby as well.
I’m sorry, but I still do think a Dean/Cas romance is debatable. As I’ve said, I have seen close male friends who loved eachother and would’ve laid their lives on the line for eachother. And Dean himself told Cas he was ‘like a brother’ to him. And it’s not even about them being the same sex. Have you never looked at a man and a woman and saw only close friendship between them? By all means, continue to see a romantic angle to their relationship, that is certainly your right to enjoy it. But please remember it is not a ‘fact’ it is your opinion. And please do not automatically accuse someone of homophobia because they do not see any romantic vibes like you do. You may not have meant to offend me but accusing someone of homophobia is an insult. But since you were nice enough to explain your views without being nasty, I can forgive it.
Hugo
March 16, 2013 @ 7:36 pm
Wow, slow down, Roxi. I’ve never insulted you or talked to you in a disrespectful way (at least didn’t intend to, but if I did, I apologize). As I said in my first comment, we all should respect each other’s opinions.
However, the fact that I don’t think the Dean and Cas’ romantic relationship is debatable is still true. It isn’t, and if you think otherwise, then make valid arguments against it. Because granted, there can be very strong friendships and friends can do really amazing things for each other. But this is not the case with Dean and Cas. Let me explain.
If Cas is for Dean just a good friend, then Dean consequently must think of Cas the same way Dean sees all his other friends, right? Such as: Ash, Ellen, Jo, Gabriel, Anna, Bobby, Chuck, plus all the friendly guest starts etc. OK now, compare these characters’ deaths to Castiel’s. See the difference? During season 7, Dean became alcoholic (to an extreme), depressive and even suicidal. His reaction to those other friends’ deaths was almost nonexistent in comparison. And funny thing, when Cas reappears in 7.17 all Dean’s issues seem to suddenly vanish. Guess why. And regarding the characters who are still alive, it’s almost insulting to think that Charlie, Kevin or Garth are for Dean as important as Cas is. If anything, I’d rather say that the only relationship that can ever be possibly compared to Dean and Cas’ is Dean and Sam’s.
Another example. Dean let Ellen and Jo sacrifice themselves to have a chance to stop the apocalypse. But Cas? Nope, Dean did everything in his power to get Cas out of Purgatory (risking Dean’s own life in the process and going back to torture to find him) despite all the mistakes Cas made (who did all of it, as he himself said, for Dean. /Because of/ Dean). Hell, Cas broke Sam’s wall (which had it been any other person the one who hurt him, Dean would have immediately killed them) and in 8.16 we have Dean trusting Cas with Sam’s life!
Benny and Dean’s strong bond? That’s because of Cas too, when in 8.05 it’s made pretty clear that Dean resurrected Benny because he saved Cas. Funny thing, right? Because Dean has never trusted vampires, has always considered them to be monsters and nothing else. And he didn’t exactly get along with Benny before he saved Cas.
And with Cas’ case it’s even more obvious. You want to know how many times he has sacrificed himself for Dean? Every freaking season. Literally. Most remarkable ones include 4.22, 5.22, his whole storyline in season 6, 7.01/7.02, 7.17, 7.23, and his Purgatory storyline in season 8, among many other moments to a lesser extent.
Honestly, if that’s not love I don’t know what is (and I’ve just mentioned a few examples!). And this has very little to do with Cas getting Dean out of hell, because Dean’s known that since season 4 and he didn’t exactly seem pleased, huh? No, Dean cares so much about Cas because of the development of their relationship post-season 4. Reducing their bond as a form of gratitude on Dean’s part only because Cas pulled him out of hell when Dean’s perfectly aware that Cas only did it because God commanded it, not because he personally cared about Dean at all, is insulting and dismissive to the actual relationship, imho.
And I’m saying all this in a very respectful way, so please don’t get offended by it. I’m just exposing my arguments as to why I think their relationship is of the romantic kind. Either way, you may see it once this season is over because I’m predicting some quite emotional moments between the characters in the upcoming episodes.
And btw, I agree with you that the brothers’ relationship needs to be “fixed” eventually because from a storytelling POV their struggles don’t even make sense anymore. The writers are just straining their relationship for the sake of drama and that’s not wise. But again, I’m unfortunately predicting their relationship to struggle again by the end of the season. Duh.
sarahjay55
March 16, 2013 @ 7:14 pm
“And remember also that it’s just a TV show, not life or death.”
You take that back!!!!
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 5:32 pm
And don’t misunderstand me; just because I can’t see the romantic aspect doesn’t mean I deny the chemistry between Jensen and Misha. It is very strong, I don’t deny that. It’s just that to me, the chemistry is of great friends.
And I could very well yet change my mind on the romantic angle down the road. But right now I just don’t see it. Being bullied and accused of homophobia/being blind is not going to do anything to make me or anyone else see your viewpoint. Lay out your case in a reasonable, cogent, and polite manner without stating things like ‘ It’s so obvious they are in love,’ ‘it’s a fact’, ‘it’s not open to debate’, or ‘people who can’t see it are blind’ and you stand a better chance of convincing people or at least getting them to reconsider.
And remember also that it’s just a TV show, not life or death.
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 4:33 pm
And another thing. I never said I wanted Sam and Dean to only interact with eachother, I just want their closeness restored. So for that you insult me and say I have a selfish mentality. And Cas isn’t just any friend. He’s an angel who pulled Dean from Hell. So yes I can see why Dean would risk his life for him.
As for Dr. Sexy, what I saw in that was not sexual attraction but more of Dean’s fanboy reaction. Dean’s a big pop culture fanboy and gets giddy when he meets his idols.
And to the further insult that I don’t understand what love and friendship mean, I’m so glad my husband of 16 years feels differently. By the way, he had a very close friend who he loved dearly, sadly now deceased, who he would’ve gladly risked his life for. I
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 4:12 pm
Hugo and Tamera, it is very rude of you to accuse me of homophobia simply because I do not see in these characters what you see. I’m sorry, but close friends do indeed go to great lengths for eachother. Doesn’t mean it’s romantic.
I can very well accept that YOU see it in these characters. I did not, in any way, put you down because you see it. All I did was state that just because you see it doesn’t mean everybody does or that it it a fact or not up for debate. If the show ever comes right out at states it then I will be fine with it, but until then, it is just your opinion which again, is fine. To accuse anybody who doesn’t see Dean and Cas’s friendship as a romantic one of being anti-gay is very unreasonable, and it’s you trying to force your viewpoint on everybody else. If you see a romance there, fine, enjoy what you see but stop attacking anybody who doesn’t see it as homophobic. If you’re that sure that you’re right then you should be able to accept that others
might not see it as you do without hurtful and wrong accusations.
By the way, your accusation is not only uncalled for and rude, but laughable. My fag-hag career stretches all the way back into grade school and continues to this day.
God
March 16, 2013 @ 3:01 pm
I approve of 90% of these messages. Thank you.
Sonia
March 16, 2013 @ 2:39 pm
Rooting for Dean/Cas relationship is not perverted in any way. Dean/Cas are shipped because of the love they have for each other, it has nothing to do with them being men,it has to do with LOVE.This is what YOUR dirty mind thinks, so don’t speak for us who ship them. Ben Edlund is a genius and is highly respected by the cast n crew. “The feeding edlund is doing”..so you acknowledge that the groundwork for dean/cas relationship is being laid? Good.
Get over your homophobic attitude, there is nothing wrong in shipping two male characters especially when they have an epic story and compatibility. None of you would be complaining if Cas was in a female vessel. Guess what, the showrunners don’t care for your homophobia, as they have shown time and again on the show how okay they are with gay characters and ships.
sarahjay55
March 16, 2013 @ 12:18 pm
Oh lots of things I want to say! First of all I can’t WAIT for this ep because Castiel! And Crowley! And Meg!
And the other stuff…
Jennifer said the show: “needs more female representation and good writers that stop using fans as an excuse for writing weak female characters.”
and this is why I love Naomi. I hate her for what she’s doing to Cas, but then I hated Lucifer when he was torturing Sam, and I LOVE the character of Lucifer. Crowley is probably my favourite character other than the TFW boys. It’s amazing to have characters so strong that you can really enjoy even the bad things they do.
As for Naomi’s motivation, I read a comment on another blog (wish I could attribute properly) pointing out that she is probably trying to clear up the horrible mess Cas made of Heaven. There’s a reason for her to be using him the way she is, much as I hate it when he’s already been working so hard to atone for it himself.
And OK, count me in as something of a Destiel shipper . I mean for such a 100% nothing-but-straight guy, Dean sure has an eye for Dr Sexy, and the odd man in uniform… And just cos Cas has a male vessel… Anyhow, kinda like Molly, I’m not certain I want it to become canon, purely because of the furore it would cause in the fandom.
But at the same time, it would be an incredible step to take (and yes, it is a crying shame that it would still be considered ‘brave’ in 2013, but that’s how it is) and it would make me so proud of our show if they took that step…
Hugo
March 16, 2013 @ 11:51 am
Roxi? You say you can’t see it? Well, let me help you out on this with two easy and simple questions:
1. If Cas were a girl, would you still believe that Dean and Cas are just friends and their relationship can in no way be interpreted as romantic in nature?
2. Would you do and say all that Dean and Cas have done and said to each other to a friend of yours? [to the point where you and your friend would sacrifice yourselves for each other over and over again].
If your answer is “no” in both cases, then you CAN see it, it’s just that you don’t WANT to see it, which is different. If your answer is “yes” then, I’m sorry, but you either are more homophobic than you think, or you don’t understand what love and friendship really mean and the difference between both concepts.
Tamara
March 16, 2013 @ 10:12 am
Roxi, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but this season has been about character development for the three of them, Sam (trying to find the place where he wants to be, aka with Amelia, having a normal life), Dean (trying to become more and more aware of his real self, aka rejecting what he’s always been meant to be, a “grunt”, and yes this does include his repressed bisexuality which has been subtly present ever since season 2) and Cas (trying to redeem himself from what he did, aka wanting to help people and be by Sam and Dean’s side for his own free will).
Now, in 8×10, all their wishes shatter. Sam sacrifices having a normal life with Amelia because he has a responsibility, which is to save the world. The same goes with Dean, who sacrifices his friendship with Benny for the same purpose. And Cas’ attempt to make “right” what he did also is interfered when Naomi takes his free will. And have you seen the last scene in that episode? It’s devastating. Because Sam and Dean are not happy having only each other and their brotherly bond. They need and want other people in their lives. This is the message Carver has been sending ever since the season premiere aired.
And forgive me, Roxi, but wanting the show the be only about Sam and Dean is a quite selfish mentality and a regression of their characters since all said character development has made their codependent relationship a little healthier, and therefore, making them be happier. The show is still about the brothers, but it’s about the brothers AND their friends and family. And yes, this undoubtedly includes Cas and his relationship with Dean. Because man, you must be really blind if you can’t see that those two stubborn boys are so profoundly, irrevocably in love.
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 9:18 am
And while we’re at it, when did SPN become about stuff like this anyway? Isn’t supposed to be a show about two brothers hunting evil supernatural creatures, saving people, family business?
The relationship I’m more interested in is the brotherly bond between Sam and Dean, which Carver seems hellbent on destroying. Let’s fix THAT please.
Roxi
March 16, 2013 @ 8:20 am
Well I guess I’m blind Hugo because I CAN’T see it. I see two close friends, that’s all. And I’m not homophobic. Dean has always been shown to be attracted to women. Even in his sex dreams, he was dreaming about female strippers. Why on earth would he be compensating in his sub conscience? And certainly Gabriel would have tempted him with males, not the two female facsimiles in ‘Tall Tales. If Dean was shown to be interested in men certainly Gabriel would’ve have been aware of it. Even when he’s alone, he’s watching porn about Busty Asian Beauties, and they’re women. Not to mention a recent comment Jensen made the Dean would be very happy on a beach surrounded by women in bikinis. Doesn’t sound to me as if Jensen sees anything other than close friendship between Dean and Cas either.
I have absolutely no problem with gay characters, but Dean was always shown to be straight, so what sense would it make to make him gay just because Cas is there? I really don’t see why so many of you don’t believe that two men can really love eachother as dear friends without it being romantic in nature.
Alex
March 16, 2013 @ 7:51 am
I’m sorry people still think Destiel is about sex. If they weren’t so set on hating on Castiel and his relationship with Dean, if they didn’t think Sam and Dean can only care about each other, if they stopped claiming Destiel would ruin Dean and the show, they would see how good Castiel is to Dean, how much these two characters have grown together and how right they are for each other. Fans who ship Destiel love their relationship, all of it. Does anyone think we would still be here, after 5 years, if Destiel was about 2 guys making out?
I suggest you read this: profoundbond.com/about-destiel/misconceptions.php
Hugo
March 16, 2013 @ 4:18 am
Wow what the hell happened here? So many comments about the Dean/Cas relationship… First of all, respect each other’s opinions. It’s fine if you people want or don’t want an established romantic relationship between Dean and Cas. It really is.
What is clear here is that they ARE in love with each other. It’s so obvious that even a blind person would see it. Misha Collins himself has said that the actors, writers and producers all are very aware of it. If you people want to waste your time denying it, I’m afraid you’re just gonna end up disappointed because this is not up to debate.
Whether this love will be ever explicitly acknowledged is another completely different thing. If Carver is brave enough, he will. If not, he won’t, and therefore this will all have just been queerbaiting (like with Sherlock, Merlin, House MD etc.).
And I’m saying this when I’m not a Destiel shipper or shipper whatsoever. The thing is, you don’t need to be one to acknowledge that the Dean and Cas relationship is being written as a romantic one, and I’m fine with it because unlike some of you, I’m not an homophobic person and I’m aware of the good impact that a same-sex relationship on-screen would make to the LGBT+ community.
Desiree
March 16, 2013 @ 1:20 am
This episode will be very exciting. It will be hard for Dean and Cas, but I have faith in their relationship. They will get through this together, you’ll see. There’s nothing they can’t face together. They’ve literally been through Hell, Heaven and Purgatory. I also want to say that I too want Sam and Cas interactions next season, especially since clearly Dean and Cas will soon be in a romantic relationship (I am very optimistic about this). I wish to see Sam in full support of his brother’s relationship with Cas and I want to see the three of them working as a team. :)
And I have to say that I love that they are using now the word ‘relationship’ instead of ‘friendship’ for Dean and Cas. Dean and Castiel’s relationship has progressed naturally into something that goes beyond a friendship. And just so you know, there is no difference from a heterosexual relationship to a homosexual. Why do some people connect a same gender ship with perversions and only sex, and don’t say the same about the heterosexual ships? I started shipping Destiel this season 8, since it is so clear now, and their relationship is beautiful to me. With Dean/Cas it’s the first time I ship a same gender couple, and I don’t do it because of some ‘sex-vision’ some seem to think slash shippers have. No. I support Destiel because of all it means in the show and all it represents.
(*Besides, I am asexual, so I don’t watch anything with sexual purposes.)
Sunny
March 15, 2013 @ 10:28 pm
The next episode sounds wonderful, and I can’t wait to see both Cas and Meg again. I’m also very interested in finding out more about Naomi and the motives behind her actions, though right now I have very little sympathy for her. Crowley is also an added plus.
I think what’s going to happen in the next episode between Dean and Cas is going to make the reconciliation scene later that much more heartwarming. I don’t much care for slash or shipping in general(I do have my exceptions), but during this season I have come to see Dean and Castiel’s relationship as a romantic one. I’m mostly happy if it continues the way it has, but the tension has to be relieved somehow, and the most natural way to do it, in my opinion, would be them confessing their feelings for each other eventually. Not in this season though, that would be too out of the blue.
Sam has a hard time coping with the stress from the trials, and I’m also looking forward to seeing that explored more in the rest of the season. It is a bit of a recycled plotline, true, but this season is so full of parallels between characters and their relationships, between this season and ones previous, that I’m putting it in the parallel-list and going to hope for the best.
Team Free Will Fan
March 15, 2013 @ 10:14 pm
First thank you for this article. Now none of the actors are (dumb). In 7×1 when Dean picked up Castiel’s trench coat in the water and the emotion there. That was ALL Jensen the director did nothing but watched Jensen do his part and trench coat wasn’t even scripted, it was an adlib by Jensen. Jensen, Jared and Misha are good actors that would always put their all into their craft. To think any less of them because the show is not to your liking would say the you don’t respect them as actors or there judement. I want to see more of Mrs.Tapping I don’t like what she is doing to Castiel but I would like to understand more why she is doing that. I feel sorry for the char and actress of Amelia. I mean as a female or anyone in general to put yourself out there and think that you have something special with this person. You show up but then they are not there. I wish she would come back and find closer not to have that char wonder happened. I know she and Sam had a agreement but still face to face is what anyone should atleast have. It’s sad that some fans hated her I feel for the actress. I’m a destiel shipper becasue not of some (hot guys hooking up) (roll-eyes) but becasue of the hardships they have gone through. The good and the bad they always found a way to forgive eachother. It took time but they got through it. I Really want S8 and S9 Sam and Castiel interaction and more Dean and Castiel. But I am disappointed that SPN don’t have more Sam and Castiel moments. They both have gone through some rough times that are very alike. Sam and his demon blood doing what and everything that he thought was right. Castiel and his power trip doing what he thought was right with Rap breathing down his back and not finding his father the disappointment there. I really want to see them talk about it. I would like Dean and Castiel (destiel) to be shown on screen with all the past hints they throw at fans. I am not looking for some heavy stuff but just the acknowledgement on screen.That fans are not crazy and that they are not queerbaiting. I don’t understand some fans when they say that Dean needs to be straight to be bad @$$. I saw a tweet that was harassing the SPN crew about it. It’s very sad that they have to do that. I Will cont to watch SPN I have been since 2005 and can’t wait for the rest of S8. But I will watch S9 aswell.
Alex
March 15, 2013 @ 9:58 pm
Cas is such a great character, and I love his relationship with Dean, so I hope they’ll make it through this… And I’m glad he’ll be a regular on season 9! He, Dean, and Sam make an awesome team. Go Team Free Will!
Kivina
March 15, 2013 @ 9:22 pm
So excited for 8×17. I’m sure it will be an amazing episode. We will have Team Free Will together which is something I love the most about this show. And we will get Crowley and Meg and Naomi too. This will be so awesome.
And don’t say Dean/Cas relationship ruined Dean’s character. Don’t be so selfish to want Dean to care only about Sam. Cas is family and Dean loves him and it doesn’t matter how do you choose interpret this love, it’s there.
Trickster
March 15, 2013 @ 8:42 pm
Dean and Cas developed for years. Although it was pretty much decided the moment Cas got to stay – Anna was meant to REPLACE him as Dean’s guardian and later love interest. Except Cas was already too popular to kill off, Anna had zero chemistry with Dean and things went as they did.
So it’s not just a “ship”. It’s legit love, they are clearly building up to it (look at all the paralels this season). Why are people so upset about a gay pairing becoming canon? I bet the same people didn’t have a problem with openly gay/bi/pansexual characters in Doctor Who/Torchwood or Renly/Loras being canon from start.
Megan
March 15, 2013 @ 8:30 pm
I agree with the others on here saying that the Dean/Cas dynamic is not about sex, nor am I ‘over-sexed’. I don’t know what you see when the two of them are on screen together, but I see an unbreakable bond that has withstood a lot and yet the both of them are closer now than ever (even despite Cas being controlled). Dean trusts Cas with looking out for Sam, which is something he has only deemed himself qualified to do for his entire life. That’s pretty big. It has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with the trust they have in each other, the dedication they have towards one another and the fact that Dean needs Sam to be healthy and Cas to be there with him in order to be okay. When I say I want to see Dean and Cas in a romantic relationship, I’m not saying I want them to make out on screen or have a sex scene. I just want a confirmation of feelings. I want them to be together and to be happy. I don’t need to see anything else than that.
Jennifer
March 15, 2013 @ 8:22 pm
I want more female characters that don’t end dead, that’s what this show needs. Supernatural don’t need more dicks, it needs more female representation and good writers that stop using fans as an excuse for writing weak female characters. And it also needs a canon check, there are many plot holes this seasons and it is nice to have Castiel back but hope the writers stop erasing past canon.
And I think it wouldn’t hurt if Castiel and Sam actually had a conversation, I know Castiel is a Dean-centric character but it is painful to see Sam just sitting there when Dean and Castiel are having a conversation. Castiel is not my favorite character but if he’s gonna be present for all Season 9 then I hope he has a more prevalent role and stop being all-about-Dean.
Whisper Stay
March 15, 2013 @ 8:17 pm
“Emo show with Dean crying”
Oh no
God Forbid a character expresses his feelings after supressing them for nearly all of his life
Molly
March 15, 2013 @ 8:16 pm
You know, I really am interested in how they’re going to play out the Naiomi dynamic….I know everyone seems to hate her because of what she’s doing to Castiel, but so far she seems to be doing her part fantastically (hint hint I don’t think you’re supposed to like the bad guy)
And also, we haven’t seen all of her character play out yet- maybe there’s a really legitement reason she’s doing all this- who knows we could be having Naiomi feels by the end of the season!
Either way, I am very interested to see how that story line plays out, because the what’s wrong with sammy is getting a little tiresome. I still like it, and I’m obviously still watching but we need some fresh plots. Though I appreciate the growth in the maturity of the Winchesters in how they handle everything.
In terms of Dean/Cas…… surprisingly, since I am a destiel shipper, I actually am opposed to it becoming canon in the show.For various reasons including alienating some of the viewership and potentially causing damage to some of the arcs they’ve developed for their characters. But I won’t bother you with all that.
And for those commenters who have decided that all destiel shippers are sexed-up people who want sexed-up-gay-sex or whatever their eloquent choice of words was? Please don’t try and label. Every pairing of every fandom has those who enjoy that kind of thing, but there are also others who are only interested in and or only support a romantic relationship, or those who support both. It’s honestly fascinating to read some people’s disections of the relationship from a non-sexual, simply romantic level. Wow this comment’s long. But anyways, excited to see what happens, fresh plot would be nice, don’t label like someone omniscient when you’re actually quite ignorant.
eliza
March 15, 2013 @ 8:16 pm
Super psyched to see how all this drama plays out until the end of the season! The writing’s been a bit inconsistent, but the story has momentum again and the concepts are intriguing. I rediscovered my love for Sam after his speech in “Trial and Error,” which was pretty awesome.
Also, speaking to Lissa’s concerns, Cas can’t betray Dean again because Dean senses something’s wrong with him. He could punch Dean in the face at this point (and possibly will, judging from the previews) and Dean would take that as confirmation Cas is being massively manipulated. I just hope Dean finds a reason to hope for the future again. And you know, Cas does seem to make him happy… :)
La_Noche
March 15, 2013 @ 8:04 pm
God, I love the show but I just can’t stand Castiel. I want more Dean AND Sam, they are the main reason I watch and I’m so tired of all the angels stories; I want demons and real monsters back. I want Supernatural to be back, this emo show with Dean crying and Sam hiding he’s sick is pretty ridic.
Divine Descent
March 15, 2013 @ 7:54 pm
I think that it’s amazing that Dean and Cas are labeled a relationship instead of friendship. It’s so much more, really. Friendship just wouldn’t be accurate at this point. What ever it is that they have between them has grown so naturally over the past few years that it’s beautiful. They’ve created the perfect love story without even trying and that’s what makes it undeniable.
Jen
March 15, 2013 @ 7:53 pm
I agree with you Lissa about wanting to do away with the antagonistic portion of the Dean/Cas relationship. I just want them on the same side again too. It will be ridiculous if they have them at odds with each other again.
Spencer
March 15, 2013 @ 7:50 pm
I want more of Sam and Dean, that’s why I started watching :( And it’d be kinda cool if Castiel and Sam interacted.
Sarah
March 15, 2013 @ 7:49 pm
I’m super excited about Cas coming back, and I can’t wait to see the episode! I miss Cas.
Callie
March 15, 2013 @ 7:47 pm
Just the brothers is boring so I’m definitely looking forward to some good Dean-Cas moments. lol I wonder what the haters here will do next season when Misha is a full-time regular? Take their toxic trash to another show I hope. :)
Brittany
March 15, 2013 @ 7:43 pm
“The pull she has on him will really test Cas and Dean’s relationship.”
Everyone keeps saying relationship.
RELATIONSHIP.
They could have easily said friendship, but nope. It’s Cas and Dean’s relationship.
This is clearly a hint. Just sayin’.
Someone
March 15, 2013 @ 7:42 pm
Amen to you Riley
Jo
March 15, 2013 @ 7:38 pm
The people hating on Destiel and other ships for that matter should really just keep it for themselfs :S Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion but no need to be rude about it.
anyways, I’m really excited for the next episode!
Rose
March 15, 2013 @ 7:38 pm
Destiel is NOT “just seeing sex everywhere.” Heck, I doubt that Dean and Cas would have sex for a LONG time if they did get together. It would be mostly awkward silences, hesitant handholding and awkward snuggling if it did happen. And I only say if because saying when is going to cause too much drama. Because I do think it WILL happen. Narratively speaking, it makes the most sense. Many of Dean’s storylines DO NOT MAKE SENSE if you assume that Dean only has platonic feelings for Cas. Fighting for Cas in Purgatory does not make sense if “Dean only cares about Sam” or “Dean only thinks of Cas as a friend” or “Dean still blames Cas for what happened to Sam” or “Dean only prays to Cas for Sam’s sake.” This doesn’t mean you cannot dislike the relationship dynamic, but you can’t deny that there is something more there. And it’s not a friendship like Dean has with Benny or Garth or Jo – which are honest-to-God friendships. Any sexual undertones between Dean and Jo were shallow at best and their relationship worked best as a big-brother/little-sister dynamic. Benny is the best example of a close friend in this case, since Benny is still alive. Now, I’ll admit that I like to look up fan fic of Dean and Benny getting it on. But I do admit that that’s a fantasy and is not going to happen. They’re my brotp – a friendship I never want to see end. But Dean and Cas are so different from Dean and Benny, Dean and Garth, Dean and Jo. They’re so much closer than calling them friends really doesn’t do the relationship justice.
They are in love and we can see that and we want it acknowledged. Not teased at, acknowledged. They can be a cute, waiting-for-the-right-time-and-the-time-is-not-now kind of couple or be worried and hesitant to actually do anything couple-y due to their situations, but we want them to let the other know just how important the other is to him because that’s important. It’s important for them as characters, it’s important to them as people, it’s important for their emotional and mental health, and it’s important for the audience to see them grow and let themselves have just this one little thing for themselves because they are so selfless so much of the time, even when they are being selfish.
I need either an “I’m in love with you” type confession or a kiss. That’s all I need. Not taking their relationship farther than that will hurt like hell, but one of those two is all I need.
Riley
March 15, 2013 @ 7:33 pm
Being a fan of Destiel has nothing to do with sex, because we’re not witnessing sex on the show — we’re witnessing the deep emotional connection these two characters have, their strengths together and apart, and how they compliment each other to form a unity that even leviathans and purgatory couldn’t dissolve! Wanting to see a romantic relationship between Dean & Cas because of the narrative setup for it is absolutely no different than wanting a nice romance between a male and female, but because it’s two guys, we’re supposed to accept that we’re not allowed that?
Also, it’s really offensive to say negative things about potential queer representation on mainstream media, because the first step to defeating homophobia is to educate people that there’s nothing wrong with being different.
Sarah
March 15, 2013 @ 7:32 pm
Where is my comment did I say I saw it as sex? I said I hoped for a ROMANTIC relationship to develop between them, feelings coming out, because damn it Dean and Cas both deserve to be happy for once After all they’ve been through, I can’t see anybody else more fitting for that then each other. I believe they will be each other’s light, and I’m sorry that some people feel like the entire show is ruined because one of the characters you claim to love so much is happy.
Laura
March 15, 2013 @ 7:31 pm
Over-sexed? Wow. Actually, I didn’t see anything other than a friendship between Dean and Cas until season 8, when it became abundantly clear their relationship goes much deeper than that. Romantic? I don’t know, but it certainly seems that way to me (and I’m not a slash person). I think if that’s where they’re headed, it’s pretty brave of them…and y’know, it shouldn’t have to be “brave” in 2013, but it would be. If Dean/Cas continues as is, I’m good. If they take it further, I’m good. Don’t assume everyone who’s a fan of Dean/Cas is some kind of kinky weirdo–most of us aren’t.
Caitlin
March 15, 2013 @ 7:30 pm
Boots- Edlund “feeding” it, real cute that you think that he’s a megalomaniac like that. And RE:your boycott of episodes with Cas and s9— your inner bigot is showing, and we don’t need people as jerky as you fouling up our fandom. Go watch Duck Dynasty or whatever.
Pam- You actually seem nice, so I’ll let you know that there really isn’t anything “over-sexed” about Destiel. Would you call an implied romantic relationship between a male and a female character “over-sexed people seeing sex wherever they look”?
Lissa
March 15, 2013 @ 7:28 pm
I know it may not be a popular opinion, but I really hope they do away with this whole antagonistic relationship between Dean and Cas soon. I think that we’ve all had enough of it already in seasons 6 and 7. I realize that they have to create conflict, but there are other way to do that besides tearing down the central character’s relationships. I enjoy the dynamic between Dean and Cas when they are on the same team. (Go Team Free Will!) Having both Sam and Cas betray Dean yet again is a little over the top for me. I want to see this resolved in a positive and speedy fashion and get Team Free Will back where it belongs; working together to fight monsters and demons, not each other.
To the people complaining about a possible romantic relationship between Dean and Cas; Deal with it. People have the right to see what they want and feel what they want. Making fun of them is wrong, whether or not you agree with them. If the writers do decide to go in that direction, that is their right as the people who create the show. If they don’t go in that direction, that’s also their right. I have to say, it looks like they at least want us to THINK they’re headed in that direction. The best thing that we can all do is sit back, watch the show, have our opinions, but be respectful to everyone else’s.
Jen
March 15, 2013 @ 7:26 pm
I’m nervous/excited about 8.17 because of the stress it’s going to put on the Dean/Cas relationship. I love those two. Their relationship has grown and developed through the years and I would love to see it develop into a romantic one.
Beth
March 15, 2013 @ 7:25 pm
I can’t wait until Dean and Sam rescue Cas from Naomi and whatever other powers are behind this. Since Cas and Dean have been through so much and still come out the other side stronger and more devoted, I am not worried about their relationship. I only hope that comfort and healing come soon (not just a little because I love seeing Team Free Will working together again)!
Heleniak
March 15, 2013 @ 7:23 pm
Just stopping by and showing some Destiel Love :)
Jamie
March 15, 2013 @ 7:20 pm
Episodes with Castiel have felt more thought-out to me. Some of the other episodes have felt like fillers, and I hate those. Purgatory was really interesting as well as closing the gates of Hell and the Trials, and I’m almost certain closing the gates of Heaven will also eventually come up. All of that sounds really exciting to me, and Cas is the pivotal piece to this. Without Cas, we have no real feeling for Heaven because in the SPN universe, angels are d**ks. Cas has depth and emotion because of Dean and Sam and I’m really happy he’s staying for season 9.
Leon
March 15, 2013 @ 7:19 pm
I hope a romantic relationship is established between Dean and Cas, it would be a great achievement after those 4 seasons of friendship (and more?). Can’t wait to see to see where all of this leads :)
linda
March 15, 2013 @ 7:19 pm
i am so anxious about the 8X17 and the season finale but i am loving how they are writing the show this season, it was since season 5 that i wasn’t so into the myth arc, anyway.. i hope Dean and Cas will survive even this test, i, for sure, believe in them.
Veronica
March 15, 2013 @ 7:16 pm
Shipping is not just a fetish for fans and same sex relationships shouldn’t be treated as such. Or equated with perversion. This is really offensive to say that fans oversex a relationship that means so much to them. Pleasing everyone means queerbaiting and that needs to stop. Please try to keep that in mind.
As for the spoiler. I’m excited and rooting for more Dean/Cas!
Pam
March 15, 2013 @ 6:58 pm
You know I am so ambivalent about Cas in this series. I don’t see the fuss over him. And yuck, I don’t see the fascination with Destiel shipping. It’s just over-sexed people seeing sex wherever they look. And yes, I agree the writers do, on occasion, tease this way of thinking. They are trying to please everyone I guess.
boots
March 15, 2013 @ 5:34 pm
Sarah-that is EXACTLY why I am NOT going to be watching this wednesday or any other episode with cas in it or any of s9- Because I am soooooooo sick of Destiel feeding by Edlund and some of the other writers. I know its NEVER going to actually happen as canon. Jensen wouldn’t be that dumb to let it happen. But it has totally RUINED the Dean character for me.
Sarah
March 14, 2013 @ 9:13 pm
I am really starting to think that the writers/producers are actually going to establish a romantic relationship between Cs and Dean with the way people are talking about their current situation.
And I am really looking forward to seeing it play out :)
Colin
March 14, 2013 @ 11:03 am
I just want Naomi to be gone as soon as possible, i hate what she’s doing with Cas. He would never hurt Dean but he’s going to because of her. Damn.
serra
March 14, 2013 @ 6:30 am
I hope that Naomi and her clan do go on to next season. Outside of purgatory, the Naomi story is the most interesting one and I’d rather watch her messing with Cas and the Winchesters than Sam’s trialbulations, which I’m sure are going to go on forever and ever because there’s nothing more exciting than watching yet another season of what’s wrong with Sam and Dean worrying. 8 years wasn’t enough.
Please bring on the Naomi story, anything is better than what they’ve shown for the second half of this season, which is nothing more than a repeat of Swan Song, only agonizingly longer.
Michele
March 14, 2013 @ 12:06 am
Hopefully they’ll resolve the Cas situation before next season because while its intriguing on the one hand I don’t want to see that go on to next season!