Ratings: Has Claire Holt’s departure killed ‘The Originals’? Also, ‘NCIS,’ ‘New Girl’ low
How badly are ratings hurt by the departure of a star? This is something that we are going to look at in this new ratings piece, given how interesting these things are to examine at this time of year.
We’ll start here by saying that most of this is a discussion for the long-term future of these shows, given that they are all renewed already for another season and there is nothing immediately to worry about with them.
(Update: In the final numbers released today, all three shows improved their numbers by 0.1 in the demo. This is slightly better than we make it sound below, but it is not enough of a change to make anything we say irrelevant.)
“The Originals” – Since losing Claire Holt (who will likely return at some point), the numbers for the CW show have been cut by at least 25%. Its 0.6 rating in the 18-49 demographic is a series low, and down from the show’s last series low it scored for the previous new episode.
The positive here is that this is still a 50% improvement of a comparable April CW broadcast from last year on a Tuesday. (We are using April 24, since that is a night featuring new episodes.) You can blame this also on spring and natural viewer erosion, but given that “The Vampire Diaries” has never fallen this low, there may be smoke here to the theory that less Rebekah equals less viewership.
“NCIS” – This is one that we’ve been asked about a lot: Has Cote de Pablo’s exit led to terrible ratings for the show? The answer here is fairly complicated.
When it comes to demo ratings, the show has been hurt badly this year. It scored a 2.1 last night, which is a solid 25% drop from the 2.8 it had for April 23 of last year. What is interesting about this, though, is that it has only lost 600,000 viewers year-to-year (16.7 million vs. 17.3 million), and that is a less than 5% drop that is actually pretty good for a show in its 11th season. Also, the demo ratings for “NCIS: Los Angeles” are down just about as much year-to-year, and the demo ratings for “The Voice” are down over 30%.
It’s possible that there is a contingent of unhappy Cote fans not watching and hurting ratings, but it feels like more than anything else with both this show and “NCIS: Los Angeles” is just that their average viewer is getting older, and not counting in the demo anymore. It seems far more unlikely that there are many young viewers who bailed on the show, and then suddenly an influx of older viewers who have suddenly decided to watch. We know that we’re looking here at specific dates, but these dates track consistently in the episodes a week before and after.
What they need to be doing is find more ways to bring in the 18-49 audience. We don’t like the ageism that exists in TV advertising, but that’s the reality of the business. Out of the three shows sampled here, “The Voice” is actually the only one to lose close to 10% of its viewer count vs. 2013. They’re all just starting to age.
“New Girl” – Let’s spend a second talking about another interesting phenomenon: A show being hurt by people getting together. Nick and Jess dating siphoned away the show’s audience, though having terrible lead-ins hasn’t helped. A repeat of the show on April 23 of last year (1.2) actually fared better than a new episode on April 15, 2014 (1.1). This is a clear example of a creative change hurting a series, and there is no other way to look at it. While there are DVR viewers, you’re not doing something right if you cannot get them to watch live.
Shelly
April 24, 2014 @ 6:42 pm
For gods sake people GROW UP!! Ziva is gone and being petty and making snide comments about the new girl’s acting is not going to bring her back. It just makes you look like babies who don’t have a life.
Mel
April 17, 2014 @ 11:34 pm
NCIS is in it’s 11th season. It seems unrealistic to expect an INCREASE in ratings, let alone no decrease. I think the show has had an amazing run and continues to bring in big numbers. It’s just too convenient for the Ziva fans to point a finger at the ratings decrease because their favorite character left. Just because you say it over and over again doesn’t make it true.
flootzavut
May 1, 2014 @ 10:41 am
Some common sense! Hallelujah :D
RockyW
April 17, 2014 @ 7:25 pm
Sorry but NCIS has become a show for the old folks and the excuses of network or this old guy producer for bad casting+plots are incredibly lame!
Mark
Harmon is a great guy but who wants to watch Grandpa Gibbs showing
around his little girl who is not even capable to do ONE action scene,
is not a hottie to look at and her constant babbling annoys just
everyone not only guys like me!
Fact is: young viewers like me (I am 25) and my friends loved Ziva because she was a tough woman, very physical and funny!
The
new chick is blonde, dumb, stereotype, annoying as hell and the stories
are boring and made for viewers over 50, 60 or 70! The showrunner looks
like 70 and his stories are appropriate for people of his age! And his desperate attempts to entertain young viewers are awful!
This was actually the only show I watched for 10+ years and I have even commented several times over the years!
My explanation for the ratings decline+a show slowly dying:
NCIS
is not going down the toilet because of the Olympics, the weather, the
old viewers or whatever, it is going down the toilet because Cote was
perfect in the show and in case all of the Ziva haters are around
(probably the 50+ year group) feel offended I don’t care:
NCIS won’t
last without Ziva because even young guys don’t want to watch a blonde
chick trying to look smart and old guys acting silly to entertain
viewers!
And even young viewers have brains so maybe a little logic and realistic plots could help attract young people because young viewers are more intelligent than this stupid Bishop girl!
Sonia H
April 17, 2014 @ 9:20 pm
Awesome post. Yeap, NCIS is now a show for old people.
My girl Cote knows how to do action scenes very well, she is fantastic doing those.
I have a question, since I live in Chile, who are all these old hags that hate my beautiful Cote de Pablo so much. Is this hatred because she is a latina? Are they all part of a racist bunch?
Anyway, I’m waiting for Cote’s next project, she was here in Chile filming The 33, and she went back to the US last week.
I’m thinking that maybe Cote should be a good fit in Agents of Shield. I love Ming Na since her ER days, but she is too old now.
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 10:50 pm
Also a young viewer and I watched for Ziva as well. MH is a good actor but he is not compelling for me as Cote is. It has nothing to do with age because James Spader is old as well and I watch the Blacklist for him.
Cote was so great and she kept the show intriguing for demo viewers. We have so many options as viewers that if NCIS is not entertaining we can just change the channel.
Sandra
April 18, 2014 @ 2:18 am
I really can’t disagree at all. Since Cote left, it has become an old people show, completely.
flootzavut
May 1, 2014 @ 10:43 am
Ugh, the fact that you use “she’s not a hottie to look at” as an actual reason not to like Bishop says more about you than anything or anyone else.
Lizabeth S. Tucker
April 17, 2014 @ 6:45 pm
You should’ve have discussed the fact that overall ratings are down for ALL series, scripted and reality.
The majority of the Cote fans who swore to never watch again appear to be from foreign climes, particularly Europe, so it is hard to equate their protests with the change in ratings because they don’t count with the rating system here.
Having looked at the ratings of this season versus last season, there are a few that produced less in the numbers game, but many others are equal to or more than when the dear departed was present.
I have been enjoying this season’s shows much more than I have for the last five seasons, other than the odd winner. There’s more of a team spirit and less nasty, bullying, vicious scripting.
By the way, I hate that Disqus no longer rates the down votes like they do the up votes.
Mas
April 17, 2014 @ 9:28 pm
I saw this comment also on Twitter. How are you qualifying that ALL series are down? That’s an extremely generalized statement. Everyone is hung up on WHY and the answer is probably a combination of reasons but ratings are falling and that is a FACT
Mary
April 17, 2014 @ 11:13 pm
They are ALL down! NCIS is still #1 or #2 EVERY WEEK despite the “live viewing” numbers being down.
Sandra
April 18, 2014 @ 2:17 am
THey’ve been #2 in the demo for weeks. They’re still highly ranked because they have a LONG way to fall, but they are falling for sure.
Lillian
April 17, 2014 @ 6:30 pm
Why does nobody address the elephant in the room and the decline of ratings across all broadcast networks? The Voice got a measly 2.9, is that because an actress left NCIS, too? The DVD results, live + 7, are always in the double digits with one episode gaining 50% in the 18-49 demo. That seems to indicate, to me at least, that people have stopped watching live, for whatever reason. Yes, not everyone is so obsessed to insist on watching their favorite show live. Viewing a recorded episode is just as desirable, and they can fast forward through the commercials. I record many of my favorites, Bones, Castle, Elementary, while I’m doing something else.
TullaT
April 17, 2014 @ 7:36 pm
That’s exactly why advertisers aren’t as interested in DVR viewers – the fast forward through the commercials.
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 7:57 pm
No advertiser wants to pay for you to fastforward their ad.
This latest episode was only .1 ahead of LA and Agents of Shield so it seems those two shows are stable and catching up to NCIS. Criminal Minds is now sometimes beating NCIS as the top-rated CBS drama so Criminal Minds also seems to be stable. Scandal, Blacklist, and Grey’s Anatomy are also consistently beating NCIS in the last couple of weeks. The ratings are there but they are clearly just not watching NCIS.
Sandra
April 18, 2014 @ 2:16 am
In the final ratings. LA tied with NCIS for third place. Won’t be long until they pass it.
flootzavut
April 17, 2014 @ 3:56 pm
“It seems far more unlikely that there are many young viewers who bailed on the show, and then suddenly an influx of older viewers who have suddenly decided to watch.”
Exactly. Doesn’t stop a few deluded souls claiming the show is dying without Cote, but the maths shows there’s a far more logical explanation.
Kathy C
April 17, 2014 @ 3:11 pm
Wow that’s a huge drop from the last several years for NCIS. I always felt that Truth or Consequence really changed this show to a must watch and now I barely watch it anymore. That was the season 7 opener. That show was so exciting and funny every show. I also think it was very cheap of the head honcho to use poor Ralph Waites’s real life death as a finale ratings plug. Seems like Glasberg is racing to be the first instead of showing respect. What a disjointed season. No and Cote won’t come back because of the comments made by David McCallum in the newspaper. That’s for sure.
Mary
April 17, 2014 @ 7:17 pm
Your comment about using Ralph Waite’s death for finale ratings is ridiculous! Jackson Gibbs was a beloved character and everyone involved with the show wanted to pay a proper and respectful tribute to both the character and to Mr. Waite. Your comment about Cote not coming back because of David McCallum’s comments is just plain silly. Who said she planning to come back before that?
Sonia H
April 17, 2014 @ 9:58 pm
Well, in my humble opinion, Cote could care less about David McCallum. BTW, it seems like that set was not a happy place for Cote to work, since there were coworkers badmouthing her on private messages of twitter (i´m looking at you gothic girl) and getting caught doing it.
I mean, how can you work with that person again in your life? how do you say any private stuff to her now? It is a total loss of confidence. And she has the nerve of accusing Cote of being rich, when Cote had the lowest salary of the bunch. It’s appalling the behaviour of that cast.
NCISFAN
April 19, 2014 @ 12:32 am
No one bad mouthed Cote on twitter except some young girl who got into a fight with P.P. and she got all spiteful for the wrong reasons. Tensions had been high for many months with stupid idiots doing and saying dispicable things to the staff and crew. Threatening mail, sending boxes of stupid stuff to CBS. Harrassment at every turn. People tend to get hot under the collar after putting up with childish crap for months on end. I don’t know why some fans thought it would help because it hasn’t. They have only given themselves a bad name and made themselves look like jerks. Do you really think Cote was happy about every thing these people did? Likely it has made her feel she can’t come back because of all the trouble they caused. How would you feel and what words could you say to compensate to someone you have to work closely with, in an apology for fans telling Michael Weatherlys wife that they hope his unborn baby dies because Cote was no longer there? People can be rich with other things in life beside money you know. Cote had a great home life, childhood, great looks, health, singing voice, great boyfriend relationships etc. Thats better than money. Money doesn’t necessarily make you happy if you have a rotten life to go with it. And Cote did not have the lowest pay of the bunch.
flootzavut
May 1, 2014 @ 10:49 am
^ this.
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 11:01 pm
Honestly McCallum should have kept quiet and not badmouthed Cote.
If Cote is apprehensive about coming back due to McCallum’s ill-conceived statement and with the way the ratings are going down CBS is simply going to cut him. No sense in keeping McCallum if it prevents your ratings star from coming back and increasing your ratings to their previous levels.
McCallum should have just kept his mouth shut in the first place. If he had a personal problem with Cote he should have resolved it by calling her in private instead of humiliating her publicly especially since she has ever said anything against the cast or crew. So if he is written out in order to get Cote back then I will shed no tears for him because he was the one who acted unprofessionally and publicly badmouthed a former coworker.
Mary
April 17, 2014 @ 11:11 pm
Everything David McCallum said was true. She acted unprofessionally and let the rest of the cast down. Quit making apologies for her!
Lizabeth S. Tucker
April 18, 2014 @ 1:03 am
I believe that David McCallum finally spoke up because of all the hatred being directed towards the cast and, worse, to the crew, people who had absolutely nothing to do with Cote’s decision to leave, whether you believe the reason was money and contract negotiations or the actress’ personal choice. That is his right.
NCISFAN
April 19, 2014 @ 12:15 am
What a ridiculous posting. They are not going to cut David McCallum just to bring back Cote. And Cote is not the rating star of this show. They ALL are. Why don’t you people stop cry babying over an actress who chose to move on, and at the last moment, throwing everyone and everything into a spin. She was selfish and inconsiderate. Obviously had no thoughts about how her fans would feel, so why are you all defending her so much. If you don’t want to watch anymore than go elsewhere no one is stopping you.
flootzavut
May 1, 2014 @ 10:48 am
Wow, if you think DM’s comments that he was surprised and disappointed and didn’t understand were “humiliating” then you must have incredibly thin skin.
I’m certain that Cote has more sense than to be up in arms about it. If I was her I’d be more insulted that so many fans thought I was such a spoiled brat that his comments would stop me from returning if I wanted to. I have read his comments verbatim and in précis in several places, and I haven’t seen anything that an actual grown up (which Cote is, not sure about some of her fans) would use as a reason to not return. How utterly ridiculous.
Lizabeth S. Tucker
April 18, 2014 @ 1:07 am
I would be more upset if the series had simply ignored Ralph Waite’s death. Just as Nina Foch’s passing away was woven into the series. In case you don’t know, Ms. Foch played Ducky’s mother. It is a sign of respect to honor the actors who have worked on a series as semi-regulars and are no longer with us.
Jaycee
April 19, 2014 @ 12:07 am
What David said has got nothing what so ever to do whether Cote comes back or not. If CBS want her and the cast want to work with her again, which I am quite sure they will, it will happen. People are still allowed to give their opinion about things they like or don’t like. Cote left of her own free will. Your comment saying that they are using the death of Ralph Waite to boost finale numbers is disgracefull. I believe Bones have already done their episode for Ralphs passing. The ratings may have dropped a little but it all pans out much the same in the long run. And if they ever drop to second place so what? Other top shows have dropped a lot lower than that in a much shorter airing time. No show should be expected to stay number 1 forever especially after 11 years. I’m an ‘older’ person and I have watched NCIS since the beginning and I am still watching. What difference does it make how old your are to watch a show. Shows always change with actors and characters, its part of the show business.
Cindy
April 17, 2014 @ 1:58 pm
Well last year the average was 21.3 million viewers for NCIS. Right now up to date is 18.78 million viewers for the season. To me that is a drop of 2.5 million. If they continue at that rate for the last three shows they will have been lower than season 7, 8,9 and 10. You are right that the viewers are getting older but that has nothing to do with anything. Figures don’t lie. I started watching and have seen on and off through half the season and my interpretation is that there is a spark missing this season. My only guess can be that an important piece is missing and they were not able to replace it and are being stubborn and sticking with a weak link. I’m sure Cote de Pablo will never return but they need to stop the ratings drop somehow.
liz laughlin
April 17, 2014 @ 7:52 am
Episode 14 on February 4th of this year had 19.53 million viewers. The next episode, three weeks later, dropped to 17.03 million (that’s still a lot of viewers) and has stayed around that number for the last seven episodes. That is a loss of about 2.5 million viewers. I think that the three weeks without a new episode hurt the show. Also the loss of the leading lady hurt the show. There are several supporting actresses but no leading lady. I think that CBS underestimated the effect of losing Cote de Pablo. Many fans think the writing is not as good as it once was. That also may be true. Another possibility is that the quality of Cote’s acting and the character Ziva covered for mediocre writing.. I think it is a very interesting question. What happened?. And more importantly can they fix it.? I wish Cote would come back but that would require a meeting of the minds for her contract and in light of David McCalum’s comments, there may be a lot of bad blood between the parties involved..
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 1:03 pm
I think that the writing has become weak since Glasberg came on board in Season 8. However the show was still entertaining and it has become quite evident that Cote was the one who actually made these episodes with below average scripts enjoyable for so many people. The problem in the writing was there but Cote’s acting and chemistry with the rest of the cast covered it up.
There were no major changes in the writers between Season 10 and Season 11 but these two seasons are like night and day. Season 10 was great with a deepening of the Tony/Ziva relationship and a very emotional arc for Ziva after her father’s death. On the other hand Season 11 has been awful and we have seen the chemistry die. We have not had these meaningful moments as well as comedic moments that Tiva/Ziva brought to the show during Season 11. I think that the issues that Season 11 has suffered were already there but Cote’s acting as well as being the one who brought cohesion to the team chemistry really made it believable and brought a sense of balance between the drama and comedy that has not been there this season.
Mary
April 17, 2014 @ 7:26 pm
Just admit that you loved the show turning into a ridiculous soap opera! If you aren’t seeing the chemistry between ALL of the characters this season, you obviously aren’t watching! I’ll admit there was a bit of Bishop overload when they first introduced her, but she is starting to fit in more now. NCIS is back to being what made it so popular to begin with.
liz laughlin
April 17, 2014 @ 9:24 pm
What’s to apologize for? Her contract ran out months before. She tried to negotiate and CBS held their line. They thought she would cave and instead she walked. If you look at her comments to the press and her on-line chat video, she was not planning to leave. Where in the real world does it say someone has to accept a contract that is not acceptable to them. CBS has done this before. Google how the old series JAG ended. David James Elliot’s agent said that CBS would not even respond to their counter offer. So, he was out the door and they ended the series at 10 episodes. Television is a business and a rough business at that A lot of characters are written out because the execs can’t give the actors more money and give themselves a big salary increase.at the same time..
Mary
April 17, 2014 @ 7:22 pm
Cote needs to apologize for her former co-workers for bailing on them at the last minute and forcing everyone involved in writing and production to scramble to write/shoot new episodes! As for the ratings, it is still the #1 or #2 show in the ratings every week, regardless of the numbers. Ratings are down for all shows and networks across the board. Was Cote to blame for all of those drops in viewership too?
Sonia H
April 17, 2014 @ 9:25 pm
Cote doesnt have to apologize to anybody, it was CBS’s fault, they took her for granted thinking that she had to agree to any contract conditions they gave her.
Anyway, I’m glad she is not part of that hostile environment anymore.
mystery
April 17, 2014 @ 10:17 pm
Why in the hell should Cote apologize im pretty sure she didn’t expect all of this to happen if anything Pauley should apologize about what she said about Cote on twitter
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 11:06 pm
Cote had a right to leave if she was not happy with the contract that was offered. Everyone knew she had not signed so clearly it was always possible that she would leave.
Gary Glasberg should have had a contingency plan in case she did not sign. He was completely incompetent if he did not have any back up plans.
Gabi
April 17, 2014 @ 3:05 am
Regarding NCIS I think it definitely has a lot to do with Cote de Pablo. Viewers clearly watched the episodes after she left and saw that the chemistry among the cast died. NCIS has never been known for plots so they need strong chemistry to make it entertaining. Once Cote left it becomes clear that the remaining cast lost their chemistry and the show became boring since she brought mystery and intrigue to the show.
I think a rating point= 1.2 million viewers so it is very unlikely that since February which is when the steep decline started there were 1.2 million viewers who suddenly turned 50. Also since LA is close to tying the original lately it is clear that NCIS has suffered a decline because the original always beat LA handily before this last couple of months.
NCISFAN
April 19, 2014 @ 12:46 am
I disagree, I always watched for the plots and the characters since day 1. They have a lot of meaning in many of their episodes. What the heck has turning 50 got to do with anything. You watch a show because you like it not because of how old you are. I watch shows for younger people because I like the actors and their plots as well as shows that are more for ‘older’ people.
Sandra
April 16, 2014 @ 9:26 pm
I confess that ratings/demos/etc go over my head a bit, but still, are you really suggesting that 25% of the audience had their 50th birthday in the past year?
Sonia H
April 17, 2014 @ 9:30 pm
So true. Too many happy birthday’s ja ja ja ja