‘NCIS’ season 13 debate: Should Cote de Pablo return for Michael Weatherly’s farewell?
While we imagine that over the course of the next few days there will be more said regarding Michael Weatherly’s pending “NCIS” exit at the end of the season, there is still an obvious elephant in the room that needs to be addressed: Can the show really say goodbye to the Anthony DiNozzo character without including Ziva in some shape or form?
It has now been over two years since Cote de Pablo exited the show, and while she has been mentioned certainly at times, she has not been brought back in any capacity since. While we think it would only be right for her to return, will she? Let’s try to weigh out what could happen in this situation.
The case for Ziva – She’s one of the most popular cast members in show history, and there have been fans wanting her back ever since she left. We know that there were a wide array of issues at the heart of her departure, but we think that for the sake of the story and for Michael, all parties involved would benefit from getting to see some sort of proper send-off that involved her, even if it was just for a scene or two. We just hope that everyone is as enthusiastic about the idea of her being a part of the send-off as we are. Ziva could finally return to America to try to start things anew with Tony, or maybe he decides to go somewhere else where he can be closer to her. Even if they are not romantically intertwined, you could at least make it so that they are a part of each other’s lives in some capacity.
The case against Ziva – The only thing that we can say here is that maybe the show feels like they already gave Ziva a proper send-off, or for some reason or another the producers or Cote don’t want to revisit the character. That would make little sense to us, though, given that all parties involved have previously said that they would be hoping to bringing her back if the timing was right. How could the timing be any better than this?
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Sharon Graham
January 20, 2016 @ 2:11 am
The show would suck first loosing Ziva and now Tony. They brought in bishop which i never liked. I think Ziva should come back for Tony.
Jacqui
January 9, 2016 @ 10:47 am
I remember Mark saying in an interview “no one is bigger than the show” we’re not saying they are BUT the show isn’t the same without the charisma of people like Tony and Ziva, I love Mark to bits but Tony and Ziva made the show interesting, I have nothing against the other actors as they all play the parts well, but do not have the qualities of Gibbs, Tony or Ziva – something must be done to keep these great actors on screen and as they work so well together and gel it would be a shame to lose that combination
PauliePawtcuket
January 9, 2016 @ 12:39 am
Someone posting in this article has a hidden agenda and hatred for a TV character like I have never seen. You sound like you belong in a mental ward.
The poll is at almost 96% in favor of a Tiva reunion and that says everything.
Tony turning into a Gibbs clone and being miserable sad and alone is something I really hope doesn’t happen for Tony.
He needs a life and a happy one ending with a reunion with Ziva.
LSilvaxx
January 9, 2016 @ 4:18 am
Regardless of everyone’s opinion: this poll means absolutely nothing. Why? Because the TIVA nuts vote again and again. These votes don’t mean anything. If you like it or not.
sofi
January 8, 2016 @ 10:43 pm
It’s not about what we want guys, and I mean all of us. 13 years now both the production team and Michael himself have created a character, and as much as you want to ignore it, Tony is more powerful with Ziva. For me, Tiva is not just a love story, they were partners and friends. If she’ll be there at the end, she’ll be there for him. It is silly to pretend she was never existed, she was the leading lady for 8 years. Her exit was rushed, if she won’t come back for Tony, his exit will be weak. Is that what you want? They are connected to each other, deal with it!
LSilvaxx
January 9, 2016 @ 4:17 am
Michael’s character was created before Ziva. So, no he doesn’t need her to have a strong exit. That’s bull and that’s what you want. Don’t start a post saying it’s not about what we want to just make clear that any storyline for Tony that does not include your princess is weak. That’s a bit hypocritical.
Sofi
January 9, 2016 @ 7:03 pm
Ok.
Lee
January 9, 2016 @ 11:29 am
Great post: “It’s not about what we want guys, it’s all about what I want”.
Nobody is pretending that she didn’t exist, but her relevance to Tony’s story is debateable. The fans desperate for a romance between the two characters believe she is very relevant; the fans who are not into romance feel that his relationships with other characters, particularly Gibbs, are far more relevant.
Ziva’s exit was rushed because the actress who played her made her plans known at the last minute and couldn’t wait to leave the set.
Sofi
January 9, 2016 @ 7:02 pm
I just expressed my opinion, feel free not to agree with me. The thing is that I really believe Ziva was more interesting character than many characters there so, in my opinion (always), Cote’s and Michael’s chemistry would make Tony’s exit both beautiful and touching.
Heather
January 8, 2016 @ 5:43 pm
Get over it haters. The poll says it all as does twitter and Michael himself. Ziva haS to be part of his end. He needs a happy ending and not a bitter one like Gibbs is living. There is more to life then work.
Christopher
January 7, 2016 @ 1:40 pm
If CBS knows how to produce great ratings Ziva will return because majority of the fans want to watch the happy ending ER style!
And I totally understand that Weatherly leaves the sinking ship! I would have left two years ago when CBS decided that a cheap actress can replace Ziva!
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:30 pm
Too bad that Michael is a grown man and makes decisions on his own and will continue to work with CBS in the future. Too bad he doesn’t do what YOU want!
Adrianna77
January 6, 2016 @ 10:55 pm
I know there are few people who constantly during all these years
screaming ‘there is no chemistry/Tiva/love’. Absolutely doesn’t matter
Ziva is/was in or left:they would say the same.BUT…who cares when we
have those numbers above? Who cares when their ( MWs and Cote’s)
chemistry on screen is igniting and explosive? Tiva is a BRAND! I agree
with Nicole.You want something which is not welcomed by viewers? It’s
not how show business works.
MW is very willing to go that way.Cote
is very willing to come back for Tony exit. Viewers are happy ( minus 33
people). So,let it be. Bring on Tiva. :)
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 1:58 pm
Crow when you can show that is 90%+ of 20 million viewers, otherwise it proves zilch.
90% of several thousand who have actually heard about the poll? Means nothing, especially when it is not a poll that is capable of enforcing one viewer/one vote.
All it does is give a false impression to the impressionable.
As for what Weatherly and de Pablo want, when did you ask them? Inferring what they want from comments and soundbites is a mugs’ game. I can equally say that Weatherly’s interview from April, that Tony died 5 years ago, means that he feels the character died when it became tied to Ziva and Tiva. But you don’t care what anyone else wants, for you it’s Tiva or destroy the show – well, you might just get both.
Adrianna77
January 8, 2016 @ 3:04 pm
Usually I am not responding to comments like yours.But your post is beyond of any logic and just angry outburst.
1.Crow when you can prove that ‘anyone else’ thinks Tiva destroyed the show.Ratings says otherwise. Unless you knocked all 20 ml.+ doors…oh wait…there is NO 20ml+ anymore ,well 16ml doors and asked everyone your statement says nothing- zilch.
2.Following your logic you went and asked MW about those 5 years by yourself.I don’t need to ask Michael and Cote.You are basing your comments on your own understanding what he said but ignoring his direct words.He stated multiple times he would like to see Cote back to show. Cote stated few times she would gladly come back to give a decent closure to Tiva. I won’t bother and supply links.There are 100 in Internet.You just don’t want to see them.
3.Since when Season 8 was a start year for Tiva? Cause you know 13-5=8.I hope here we are clear. According to the same MW and Tiva PR complain from CBS: Tiva started in S3.Boxing.MW words again: his favorite season was Season3.He underlined why: Ziva entrance and his favorite Tiva ep. was ‘Boxing’
Meanwhile 5 years ago there was some event.Glassberg happened.He brought his messy P2P killer arc.Yes,that day everything died in NCIS.
I won’t respond to you anymore because I don’t think I need to spend more time on the subject.Next time when you comment do not assume you are talking to idiots.
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 3:53 pm
ROFL
Don’t go near anything sharp, will you, m’dear.
No, the figures are nothing like 20m anymore…:
Episode……………. Live # – L+7day
Stop The Bleeding 18.190 – 22.469
Personal Day…….. 16.530 – 20.459
Incognito…………… 16.870 – 20.744
Double Trouble….. 16.040 – 19.669
Lockdown………….. 17.220 – 20.971
Viral………………….. 16.810 – 20.742
16 Years……………. 17.975 – 21.635
Saviors……………… 16.678 – 20.707
Day in Court………. 16.587 – 20.374
Blood Brothers…… 16.028 – 20.460
Spinning Wheel….. 15.530 – 19.992
Sister City part I….. 18.970 n/avail
Adrianna77
January 9, 2016 @ 1:32 am
I told you do NOT assume we are idiots.You are posting +7 rating and think nobody would notice? Scrambling in a weak what they used to have in a day.
And I am not your dear.
Lee
January 9, 2016 @ 11:17 am
I thought you weren’t going to respond to me anymore, pet.
I don’t need to assume that you are an idiot – I have read your posts. But I did rather assume that anybody who can read, understands that “L+7day” is the numbers for Live +7 day, why else would I have labelled the column?
I said there are are 20 million viewers and provided genuine figures to support the claim, you can put your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet and deny that they are relevant, all you want, but the fact remains that it is a realistic figure supported by evidence, whether you like it or not.
Or perhaps you are trying to claim that anyone who records the show to watch isn’t actually a viewer. LOL
Marla
January 12, 2016 @ 1:57 am
And I said compare the L+7 data for the last few seasons. Shouldn’t be hard to do.
LSilvaxx
January 12, 2016 @ 2:10 am
You say a lot, why should Lee jump and do what you say? You’re not the Boss here. lol
Lee
January 12, 2016 @ 9:40 am
Why would I want to do that?
I made an assertion that there are 20+ million people who watch NCIS and I calmly backed it up with facts.
If you have some point to make based on other data, feel free.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 10:54 pm
Oh, why don’t you compare the L+7 data for the last few seasons, which includes the demo numbers because really it’s the demo numbers that advertisers care about?
Lee
January 11, 2016 @ 11:31 pm
Probably because the conversation was about actual numbers of viewers, not anything to do with advertisers.
Migalouch
January 6, 2016 @ 10:51 pm
ABSOLUTELY!!! Ziva coming back and the two of them walking off in the sunset to start a life together would be an absolutely wonderful full circle and closing to their characters and all of their storylines. For that not to happen just detracts from all the things they went through! I imagine Cote de Pablo would love to come back for this type of ending as well.
Marla
January 6, 2016 @ 10:00 pm
I would love to see Tony and Ziva together for good. Just like what we got with Gil and Sara on CSI or Doug and Carol on ER!!!
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 2:00 pm
Well Grissom and Sara on CSI was pretty underwhelming.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 4:01 am
They were??? Not to me!
Lisa Liscoumb
January 6, 2016 @ 5:28 pm
Not just no, but hell no. This is Tony’s goodbye story. Make it about him and his future, as a team leader for a his own team, saying goodbye to his friends and family and moving forward with his life, not back.
SAM
January 7, 2016 @ 6:06 pm
Sometimes a “backward move” is really forward movement.
deprivedfed
January 6, 2016 @ 4:20 pm
Let Tony go out a hero and get his heroin. He loved her what better way to get out of a series than as a hero and getting the girl he loved for so long! I am for it!
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 1:59 pm
Yes, he probably would need heroin if he was tied to her for all eternity. ;)
FLCheesehead
January 6, 2016 @ 3:34 pm
I can see the case for bringing her back, but honestly — Tiva left the building back when Cote left the show. They’ve barely spoken her name in three years. Tony spent the entirety of S11 trying to find his new normal, and he’s had several other women in his life since then. While I could understand the network thinking, “Hey … wouldn’t it be fun to do a George Clooney here”, it just seems like it would be ultimately more satisfying — and original — for the send-off to not be the expected “Ziva Surprise”. I know the prevailing belief is that “everyone” wants Ziva back and “we all” want to see them reunited, but there are literally millions of fans who are perfectly okay with Ziva being gone, don’t need to see them reunited, and would be delighted to not have Tiva hijack Tony’s farewell.
Let Tony walk out into his future with the fans not knowing what’s going to happen next. Maybe he’s going to go find Ziva. Maybe he’s going to go find Jeanne. Maybe he’s going to tour the world with his father. Maybe he’s going to buy a house with a basement and build a boat. I, personally, would love it if they just left it up in the air and let us all write our own ending.
Judy Claybaker
January 6, 2016 @ 4:06 pm
I Agree. Ziva had her farewell off the show, let Tony have his. I love the idea of leaving it up in the air……….who knows maybe they will both come back in a BIG way together <3
MzNicNac
January 6, 2016 @ 9:51 pm
You’re a bit late, actually (no offense). Jeanne had her last “hurrah” re: Tony a few episodes ago, when she made one more appearance. There are literally millions MORE of fans who want nothing more than to see DiNozzo happy – finally – reunited with the love of his life. And yes…Ziva WAS the woman that he loved. Beyond all of that – Tony and Ziva has been the scripted endgame of the series ever since she arrived on the set. NOBODY can fake that kind of chemistry. As actors, either you “click” or you do not. When it became impossible to ignore the fact that the audience gravitated towards Tony/Ziva pairings onscreen, CBS naturally saw the $$$$$ opportunity and begin unabashedly exploiting their relationship. After all…this IS “Show Business”. Viewers ate it up. So the course for Tony and Ziva was set, like it or not. Cote had her own legitimate reasons for leaving when she did – as does Michael. They purposely did not kill her off (unlike her previous female character predecessors), so they knew even then that she may return for a particular reason. They even threw in the necklace as a clue. So it’s really not about what “you” want or think, nor about any one of us as individual viewers. “TIVA” was clearly the deliberate marketing intent of the network, and now THEY have a business obligation to their audience to finish what THEY started. It simply is the right and logical thing to do. Oh, and judging from Mr. Weatherly’s tweet today, it appears his own relatives also approve of a Tiva Happily Ever After :-)
FLCheesehead
January 7, 2016 @ 6:37 pm
Wait … Tony and Ziva has been the scripted endgame of the series ever since she arrived on set? I don’t remember seeing that anywhere in any article or interview. Do you have a source? If that’s the case, I’ll happily retract. If there was an actual Tiva endgame script in the bag from the moment Ziva first said “Having phone sex?”, then I’m thinking someone needs to run over and tell the writers that! Because … first of all … they SO could have used it when Cote left, because PPF was pretty bad. (I think we all agree on that one.) But since they didn’t use it then, that means that script is still out there! Available! The writers need to KNOW that. It would save them so much time!
And no … the network doesn’t have a “business obligation to their audience”. You can make a case for it being “the right thing to do” for the Tiva fans, but it isn’t a business obligation. It’s a storytelling choice. It’s a plotline that they can choose to resolve (again) or not. Of course they promoted it while Ziva was a character. But they are not obligated to end it the way one group of fans wants it to end. Any more than they are obligated to tell us how Gibbs gets the boats out of his basement or what ever happened to McGee’s writing career. Cote chose to leave, and the story could no longer continue as it had. Things change. Ask Grey’s Anatomy.
I think it’s great that Michael Weatherly’s mom is asking if he’s leaving with Ziva. It’s really too bad Michael Weatherly’s mom isn’t the showrunner.
MzNicNac
January 7, 2016 @ 7:07 pm
Sorry…can’t “wait”. Your opinion is appreciated of course, but allow me, once again, to school you on actual facts:
Money, Sponsorship and Advertising will always – I repeat, ALWAYS – be a business obligation for a broadcasting network. Sadly, it even trumps viewership. CBS may not always oblige fans first, but they most CERTAINLY heed to the almighty dollar.
Mr. Weatherly and Ms. DePablo raked in more dough for the series in 9 years than Harmon’s character EVER did entirely on his own. That is an indisputable fact. CBS invested more marketing in just those two characters than they ever did for any other cast member on the series. That’s also a fact.
I encourage you to also do better “studying up” on the rank and file of TV editors, tropes, scripting, etc. The “writers” do not call the shots; they are at the bottom of the food chain. They do as they are told. The people actually in charge sit in offices way up on the 10th floor or higher. The executive producers do whatever THOSE people tell them. The blueprint is already set by the Powers That Be, and it trickles down. That is also fact.
This is Show BUSINESS, not Show “Opinionation”. Obligation to the advertisers, investors, and yes….in this case, the loudest bunch being the Tiva-starved viewership – permanently outnumbers everything else. You haven’t been paying attention to the media’s reaction to this news and how they’re reporting Weatherly’s departure. If you had, you’d instantly know why Tony & Ziva ultimately win out. It’s not about you.
Finally, while your snarky remark regarding Mr. W’s Mom draws some amusement, you fail to realize that even if she doesn’t run the show, she possesses a much greater weapon: Her “voice” is MUCH, much louder than yours or mine ever will be, and it’s representative of the broad majority. That always matters.
Cheers.
FLCheesehead
January 7, 2016 @ 9:15 pm
We really don’t know how much money Mark Harmon (how come it’s MR. Weatherly and MS. DePalbo, but he only gets “Harmon”?) could have brought in on his own, unless you measure the first two seasons’ revenues against only the first two seasons of Ziva. Otherwise it’s an unfair comparison. Of course the show brought in more money in nine years than it did in two. Even I — with all the studying up I need to do — know that. You can absolutely say that, in nine years, Tiva brought a great deal of revenue to the network. But you can’t say that wouldn’t have happened with anyone else because that theory is impossible to test.
Yes, I know it’s show BUSINESS. Thanks. But the loudest batch of viewers is not always the largest batch of viewers. In fact, if the Tiva faithful are telling the truth, that loud gang of viewers hasn’t watched a single episode since Cote left, and a whole bunch of them have (supposedly) boycotted CBS altogether. So, technically, they’re not viewers at all. With the possible exception of when Cote starred in The Dovekeepers, which didn’t exactly go gangbusters in the ratings or viewership department.
Still, the Tiva fans aren’t watching the show now (so they say), and CBS seems satisfied with its ratings on Tuesday nights. The show is up for an almost certain renewal if people like the “Cancellation Bear” and “Grim Reaper” are to be believed. I don’t know that the BUSINESS part of the equation is suffering quite as much as the Tiva fans hoped it would.
If TPTB have set the blueprint, and if the blueprint was Tiva endgame from the very beginning, then why did that not happen? Cote said she agreed to do more episodes to achieve a true Tiva resolution. If Tiva was indeed the endgame, why didn’t TPTB order those episodes? If everyone does what the people up above the 10th floor tell them to, and if the people up above the 10th floor know the financial goldmine that Tiva is, then why do we not have Tiva on our TVs?
Aw, come on. It wasn’t THAT snarky. And really … until there are some verifiable numbers out there other than FB posts and comments on TV Line to back it up, I’m not sure that the Tiva fans ARE the “broad majority”. With or without Weatherly’s mom.
MzNicNac
January 10, 2016 @ 3:24 am
Personally, I really could care less how “snarky” you think you are. Snark doesn’t bother me. Most importantly…you’ve shown that you have NO clue whatsoever how show business works….and worse: you went completely off-topic. Nobody here mentioned “Dovekeepers” or any other CBS project, as they have literally NOTHING to do with NCIS. The only one who went down that solo road is you. The blueprint has ALWAYS been for Tony’s character to have a relationship with the leading lady starring opposite him. You certainly seem to have no historical understanding of Mr. B’s ORIGINAL blueprint; otherwise you wouldn’t be asking why Tiva was the intended endgame. But you won’t understand it anyways, sooo…moving on.
As far as who’s watching and who isn’t – that’s really something you need not concern yourself with. However…it IS a major concern for the network, because it’s not just a certain “set” of fans that have abandoned viewership the past couple of years. The numbers speak for themselves. They always do. A good NETWORK BUSINESS decision, for your information, is to always decide in the best interest of advertisers, the shareholders, and yes…the viewers, whose “numbers” bring IN the advertisers and sponsors.
Newsflash: the viewer “broad majority” at one time consisted of far more than just Tony and Ziva fans. It was the general population – including a savvy media – who tuned in to a show that ONCE had characters and storylines actually worthy of mass attention. That concept is scary for you, I know. You seem more comfortable bringing in non-relevant subject matter to defend your soundly defeated position.
It’s been most enjoyable educating you :-).
LSilvaxx
January 10, 2016 @ 7:13 pm
You haven’t answered the main questions FLCheesehead had but thanks for proving the point that Tiva fans only see what they want to see and ignore everything that proves them wrong.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 6:04 pm
What didn’t I answer? Or did you mean that Nicole didn’t answer MY main questions? If that’s the case, then I agree with you. She didn’t.
LSilvaxx
January 11, 2016 @ 7:18 pm
Yes I meant that Nicole did not answer your main questions. And I’m sure she didn’t because she simply can’t.
Lee
January 10, 2016 @ 8:21 pm
Well CBS ****ed up big time with ALL of the above with NCIS, then, didn’t they?
The first question is that if Tony always was supposed to have a romance with the “leading lady” then why did they never write it? The show itself did nothing to show us affection between Tony and Ziva, what we got was sexual attraction and antagonism, which would have been enough to support a fling, but was no basis whatsoever for the “happy ever after” that a certain section of the fanbase is now screaming for. Not everyone watches TV to see the main characters hook up, and only those desperate for a fantasy romance saw anything more between them than between Tony and Gibbs or Tony and McGee. They even admitted how badly it had been written into the scripts when they started having victims/suspects telling the audience that they were made for each other.
PPF almost succeeding in uniting the fandom in hatred of it: the Tiva fans because it barely gave them what they wanted and the rest of us because we had an episode with two characters we’d never met before, who were suddenly all lovey dovey completely out of the blue.
There was a time when, yes, this show did cater to the “broad majority” of fans, when we had some fantastic characters that were allowed realistic interactions with each other, and then we got the push for Tiva – which originally the show defined as any scenes between just the two of them, not romance – and an emphasis on moments rather than stories, and the show lost its uniqueness.
Your “savvy” media pushed Tiva because then they could write easy and lazy fluff pieces, like this one, without having to know much more than the names of the characters, they certainly didn’t need to know anything about the show or the characters to be able to write “about” the show and garner readers.
And really, if CBS is considering how to keep viewers, giving closure to those who are going to stop watching anyway, even if they have been torturing themselves by still watching in pointless hope, is not the way to go. They need to consider the viewers who are going to keep watching in the absence of a fan favorite, and do something better with the character than give a do-over to fans that weren’t happy with the last storyline that was written specifically to please them.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 5:14 pm
I didn’t think snark would bother you. You’re good at it too. :-)
I didn’t go off topic. You were talking about how popular Tiva was, and that the Tiva fans (who are, after all, Cote fans) were a majority audience. My point of TDK was that if Cote fans were indeed a majority, that was difficult to see after the weak ratings for a mini-series that was sold, in large part, on “Cote de Pablo’s return to CBS”. I’m sorry you missed the relevance.
Your position is that Tiva is a good network business decision because it is in the best interest of advertisers, shareholders and viewers. My position is that the show has apparently been doing fine over the past three years — with advertisers, shareholders and viewers — without Tiva, so there is no pressing, show-saving, shareholder demanding reason to drop Tiva (or Cote) back in there.
Do I think, however, that an element of Tiva added in for Tony’s departure is good storytelling? Yes, I do. Ziva was a large part of Tony’s life and she represents a conflict he has to deal with. But I don’t think Tony needs to walk out of the office with a woman on his arm for him to be in a good place. Ziva can be one of the things from his past that he recognizes he needs to resolve before he can really move forward. And that can be done without a single romantic Tiva scene or tear-filled reunion. Tony can walk out the door and board a plane to Israel without Ziva ever once showing up on screen. And in doing so, his future can be hopeful but uncertain. The ending does not have to be written for us.
Your claim that “the blueprint has ALWAYS been for Tony’s character to have a relationship with the leading lady starring opposite him” isn’t convincing. Sorry. You don’t seem to have a particular historical understanding of the original blueprint either.
NCIS is and always has been Gibbs’ show. Bellisario wrote it about Gibbs and wrote it for Mark Harmon. If you watch S1/2, there is not even a hint at a romance between Tony & Kate. Gibbs flirted with her from the moment they met in Yankee Down. Tony & Kate were the contentious brother & sister that Gibbs was tasked with keeping in line. There was no romantic or physical chemistry between the two. They were bickering siblings from day one. Watching them, I don’t know that anyone would have claimed the endgame of the series was for Tony to end up with Kate as his girlfriend, lover or wife.
Bellisario said himself that when he replaced Kate, he wanted a character who would challenge Tony. He wanted someone to put Tony off balance … someone exotic. And he created a great character in Ziva. Shane Brennan was the one responsible for the bulk of Tiva … for taking those two characters and those two actors and seeing that magic and saying, “We can do something with that.” Based on how Bellisario treated his female characters throughout all of his many series, I think Ziva would have lasted a few years and then he would have exited her for someone else. Or perhaps he would have gotten Tony & Ziva together, only to break them up quickly and dramatically, as he had done in his other series. It was the guy’s MO. Brennan turned them into Tiva, and I do believe that HIS endgame was Tiva. But I don’t think either Bellisario or Brennan would have ultimately had Tony & Ziva marry and start having little DiNozzos. Because the show isn’t a show about the second lead’s romantic or family life. It is still, for better or for worse, a show about Gibbs.
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 3:05 pm
Business and marketing executives get it wrong all the time.
What we will NEVER know is what would have happened if the show had handled all this differently, if Ziva hadn’t been such a divisive character and if she had actually been written as if she liked Tony rather than abusing and attempting to control him.
The viewing figures may have gone up and up while she was there – but they were a disaster during season 10, the supposed season of Tiva. How much higher might they have gone had not so many viewers walked away in disgust.
And being the loudest group does nothing to prove that the Tiva fans outnumber anything, or even that they are a large group. If they are the majority of viewers, why would they need to use fake accounts and those of friends, neighbours and pets (they boast about doing such things!) to attempt to make their numbers look greater?
As for Weatherly’s mother’s comment, for all we know it is a family joke that the poor man will be overshadowed by the character of his former co-star for as long as he is associated with this show – there are certainly hints that it could be a factor in his departure.
All I know is that my mother can say what she likes about my job but all it is good for is a giggle.
PBP
January 6, 2016 @ 1:52 pm
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Guy Montag
January 6, 2016 @ 4:39 am
Ziva shows up with Tony’s kid “You are so loved,” she said when they parted, and Tony ditches everything to be with them. Now I can write like Barbara Cartland and Danielle Steele, har har.
Sandi Brooks
January 6, 2016 @ 10:05 pm
She was in hiding because of a threat, and could only safely surface now. Her snail mail letters to Tony were waylaid in the NCIS mail room!
sadtonyfan
January 6, 2016 @ 4:01 am
I hope they don’t drag Ziva the Diva back. This ending should be about Tony, not tiva. I hope it will be a huge story that portrays Tony as the brilliant brave heroic agent that he was originally written as. I want to see a story that lets Tony outshine every other character involved for one last time. It’s been a shameful number of seasons since Tony has had a decent story that was really about him.
Tom
January 6, 2016 @ 3:37 am
Of course I support bringing Ziva back for Tony’s departure – doing so would make this couple just like Carol Hathaway & Doug Ross on ER or Gil Grissom & Sara Sidle on CSI.
FLCheesehead
January 6, 2016 @ 3:45 pm
That’s the reason I DON’T want them to do a Tiva ending. It’s been done. So. Many. Times. Give me something new, NCIS writers! Don’t go with the old TV trope of “long lost cast member returns for meaningful reunion”. Make me laugh as Tony waves a last good-bye. And please … PLEASE … make his last line be a movie quote.
Adrianna77
January 6, 2016 @ 10:57 pm
Don’t worry for Cote.She stated few times she would gladly come back to give us a Tiva closure.
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:22 am
Just like she said in her first interview after her departure that it was such a hard decision to make and then to say later that it was clear and easy. She lies and fools her fans around and they don’t even notice. I can’t take her or what she says serious anymore.
SAM
January 7, 2016 @ 6:04 pm
It’s been done so many times because it works. That’s why it will be done again.
LSilvaxx
January 8, 2016 @ 2:23 pm
Ahh the great SAM who knows everything because he claims to have sources LMAO
Limonite
January 8, 2016 @ 6:10 pm
You’re right about Sam! he said months ago that MW was going to leave this season, and that turn out to be false! #sarcasm
LSilvaxx
January 8, 2016 @ 6:37 pm
SAM has claimed a lot of things that have turned out to be NOT true. A lot of people with REAL sources have labeled him as a liar. But since he’s so against MH, GG, LM and CBS/NCIS, of course certain people CHOSE to believe him because it fits their obsessions.
And yeah, Sam said he WILL leave. Truth is, Michael was debatting leaving or not. Huge difference my dear. Believe what you want. Recent videos have proven that Sam’s accusations regarding the friendship between Weatherly and Harmon are nothing but wrong. And that is just one example. Bye Limonite. Keep living in your created fantasy world and believing the liar that is called Sam.
SAM
January 9, 2016 @ 8:13 pm
Mr. McCallum’s interview was proof positive of what I posted roughly the same time that he was giving the interview — that it was pretty much well known among the cast and crew that he was leaving the show. All but a couple of them hate to see him go, and it’s pretty much split down the middle between them whether or not the show could survive a 14th season without him (at this particular point in time the odds of getting a 14th season were much in doubt).
People with “real sources” can call me whatever they want. I’ll match mine against theirs any day of the week and feel confident of at least breaking even. As for the feud between Harmon and Weatherly — something I haven’t talked about in a forum like this, have on our ProBoards site, so thanks for either visiting or talking with somebody who has — yes, it does exist. Has for quite a while now. At the same time the person was providing me with the information I just mentioned, they also mentioned that they were avoiding one another a lot around the set, except for when they were filming scenes together. The situation is a little better than what it was at this time a year ago, but only marginally so. That’s the extent of what I am going to say about it here. Believe me or don’t, I really don’t care. But when the time comes, I will have been shown to be right about this, as I was about Weatherly leaving. Neither is fantasy, but fact. I suggest you adjust to that reality and deal with it accordingly.
Have a nice day.
LSilvaxx
January 10, 2016 @ 8:57 am
I don’t believe you and don’t have to because I did my own researches and everything you have said was denied by people who have better knowledge because they are either close enough or involved dude.
SAM
January 10, 2016 @ 9:47 pm
Funny. I had all of my research and info confirmed by people who are also close enough and involved too. It comes down to a “my source is better than your source” scenario, doesn’t it? You will believe what those folks told you because you want to believe it. Fine. In the end, I have every faith and confidence in the world that my sources have been proven right and will continue to be shown as such as time marches on.
SAM
January 10, 2016 @ 9:47 pm
Funny. I had all of my research and info confirmed by people who are also close enough and involved too. It comes down to a “my source is better than your source” scenario, doesn’t it? You will believe what those folks told you because you want to believe it. Fine. In the end, I have every faith and confidence in the world that my sources have been proven right and will continue to be shown as such as time marches on.
SAM
January 11, 2016 @ 6:24 pm
First of all, I don’t hate Mark Harmon. I have a great deal of respect for the man as an actor and as businessman. I don’t like many of the decisions he has made over the past few years and especially during the previous season. For that matter, neither did Moonves or a number of CBS officials. The relationship there has been rocky, to say the least.
Nor do I hate Les Moonves. Like with Harmon, I simply don’t know the man well enough to hate him. Hating people is usually a waste of time anyway, unless they are on the level of a Hitler, and none of these people reach that level. Like Harmon, I think he’s made some poor decisions over the years, particularly regarding the whole situation with Charlie Sheen. I also have to laugh at his statement about ratings not meaning anything; if that’s the case, why is CBS advertising that they are the network with the most shows having 10 million or more viewers?
I don’t hate any of the other actors and actresses on the show, again for the reasons I just stated in the previous paragraph. I could break down their work on the show, where it has been good, where it has been not so good, but that can be done at another time, another place. If that’s the interpretation you are getting from my posts — and I haven’t done much posting on places such as this, so you must either be visiting our ProBoards site or being spoonfed information from those who visit there — then that’s your problem, not mine. You are seeing what you want to see, which may explain a lot of what you saying that you see. Again, your problem, not mine.
As for MW’s departure not being confirmed — uh, think he did that last week, the day after the McCallum interview was made public. Like I have said before, at this time last year he may have just been leaning towards leaving, but by the time work on this season started up his mind was made up: He was leaving. McCallum’s statement left no room for doubt on that. You don’t want to see that as a confirmation of what I had said, that is, again, your problem, not mine. A lot of people will, and have, said differently.
You say your sources have provided you with pictures and material that show they are getting along. Bully for you. Mine have given me information and eye witness accounts that back up what they have told me. They stand by what they have told me and I stand by it too. And I get a lot of info from people that I more often than not never make public because there’s no way to confirm it. If I am putting it out there, it is because I have confirmed it to my satisfaction and have become convinced it’s true, period. No matter what nay-sayers like yourself may say.
Like I said yesterday, this boils down to a “my source is better than your source” battle. You want to believe your sources are better and more truthful, go ahead. I know otherwise. As time goes by, others will too. I have every faith and confidence that it will be shown to be true, just as what I said about MW leaving was proven true.
If you ever want to get in touch with me to discuss all of this offline, or wherever, fine. It sounds like you know how to get in touch with me. Do so if you ever feel like expanding your knowledge about what is really going on behind the scenes.
Again, have a nice day.
LSilvaxx
January 11, 2016 @ 7:28 pm
You cannot provide anything to back up what you said. All I get from you is just empty words. And no, I don’t know how to get in touch with you because I’m not on that certain forum anymore. It was a disgusting place. And if you would have any kind of respect torwards any of those people you have mentioned above, you would have never leaked anything that your “sources” have told you. You have disrespected not only your sources by spreading what you claim they have told you, but you also disrespected the people that you and your “sources” have talked about without their knowledge. I doubt that the cast is visiting such boards so they don’t have the chance to defend themselfes. You for example have talked about contract details that are absolutely none of our Business. You claim to have someone who knows about those contracts, shame on those people for providing those kind of information to people who use this to defame and bully hard working people. And again, everything I have read from you has been proven to be wrong by MANY other people who could easily show me they are truly involved with the people mentioned above. There is not a single reason that tells me that anything you have ever claimed is true. I have seen videos and photos – not some witnesses’ words or such – how MH & MW have been acting around each other since 2013. And I honestly doubt that if you would have seen those that you would believe anything else either.
SAM
January 12, 2016 @ 4:38 am
Funny. One could say the same thing about YOU in regards to the information that I have been privy to, information backed up and corroborated by multiple individuals — that you wouldn’t believe it either, even if backed up with videos or photos, because you believe what you believe.
As for “disrespecting my sources”, here’s news flash for you: I ask them in advance if they mind if I go public with what they say. If they say “no”, then I don’t. End of it. If they say they don’t mind, then I do. Simple as that. Most don’t mind as long as they remain nameless. Quite understandable why they wish to remain so.
As for the contractual information — there’s oh, so much more that I could reveal, and perhaps at a later date will — IF I get permission to do so. Probably won’t, but who knows? As for using it to defame and bully people — sorry, I don’t see how it’s bullying anybody. As for defaming — um, no, sorry, Revealing that somebody is getting paid x-amount of money by certain means and methods isn’t libeling or slandering them — it’s just revealing how they are getting paid. And these days it’s pretty much public knowledge how much per episode most all of the principles are getting paid, and whether or not they are getting paid for promotional work, whether or not they are getting a share of the profits of the sale of DVD’s, the works.
As for what you said about being proven wrong by “MANY other people” who could easily show you they are truly involved with the show — um, okay. And I can say the same thing about my sources being able to prove everything they have told you is wrong. And we can do this from now until the end of time. Which I’m sure would bore a lot of people who have been coming to this thread, if it hasn’t all ready done so.
As for backing up what I have said, I’ve done so, you just refuse to admit it. Let’s go through this one more time: A person who I was encourage to contact provided me with information from a visit to the set around the period of time before, during, and after the airing of the season premiere. It’s not the first time they have been there, probably won’t be the last. The person had the opportunity to visit with, chat with, and observe a lot of the goings on with the cast and crew during that period of time, including MW. In the conversations with him, they covered a wide range of subjects, including the show, but it became clear to this person that his interest in the show was flagging, and, in their opinion, his attitude and behavior was of somebody who had already moved on. In talking with cast and crew, it became clear to them why they had come to that conclusion: Every single person that they spoke with told them that MW was leaving at the end of this season. Not that he was thinking about it or leaning towards making that decision, but that he had already made the decision to leave. Every single person said this. Every. Single. One. Of the people that this person spoke with, there wasn’t a single one of them that wanted him to leave. The majority of them were, and probably are, very worried about what will happen after he’s gone. Some flat do not believe they’ll make it. Some do, but most seem to be saying it in such a fashion to make themselves believe it. Based on what this person was told, the one person who for sure believes that they will both survive and thrive without him is Mark Harmon. Based on what he has said about people departing in the past, that doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Now, this happened towards the end of September, again during the period before, during, and after the airing of the SP. It would appear that McCallum gave this interview sometime shortly after that. Simply go back and read what he said about MW departing; he was treating and addressing it like it was common knowledge, which around the set, it was exactly that. And that, Silvaxx, backs up what my source said. Whether you admit it or not doesn’t matter — it simply does.
Based on what this source said, based on some things from other people have said, MW may not have made up his mind about staying or going when work on this season started the second full week of July — I personally think that he had already made up his mind, but that’s just my opinion, nothing more — but if that’s the case, he had made up his mind by the time the SP aired, indeed had made it up well before it had aired. And had told people what his decision was, a decision that McCallum shared and stated was common knowledge around the set. Which is exactly what my source said.
Now, I don’t expect you to believe any of this because you don’t want to believe any of it. That’s fine. But I really don’t care whether you do or not, or whether you own “sources” don’t believe it or not. Because I know and have confirmed to my own satisfaction that they are telling the truth. I wouldn’t talk about these things publicly if I wasn’t , even getting their permission to do so.
Deep down inside, I think you believe that I am telling the truth, at least on some matters, else why express concern over the contractual matters? I mean if I am wrong about everything else, then I’m wrong about that too, aren’t I? But then again, I’m not wrong about those things, nor much of anything else.
Again, really doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not. As I said before, this has become a game of “My Source Is Better Than Your Source”. Believe what you want. I’ve told the truth about MW leaving months ago, it got confirmed. Period. End of it.
And now, since I work for a living, I bid you goodnight.
LSilvaxx
January 12, 2016 @ 7:00 am
You don’t get my point and arguing with you is useless since you’re too stuck to even see where I come from. Guess what, other people do work for a living as well. Including me. Including the cast of the show that you disrespect. Have a good life.
SAM
January 12, 2016 @ 5:55 pm
Silvaxx, I get your point, probably better than you do. And I do see where you are coming from. Not surprised you work for a living, and it’s pretty obvious that the cast works for a living.
Problem is, you don’t want to get my point. Time and again I have made my point and have proved it here — namely, that my source concerning MW’s departure got it right, and that McCallum’s interview shows that the source was correct. You’re right in the respect that arguing about a proven point is a waste of time, especially yours.
Despite it all, I have actually enjoyed this exchange. You were very honest in your answer to the question that I posed to you a couple of days ago and I appreciate that. Whether or not we do this again, thanks for your time.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 4:08 am
LOL!!! I guess living in denial must be a wonderful thing. You might want to go back & watch this season’s episodes & pay close attention to how MH & MW interact in their scenes.
LSilvaxx
January 11, 2016 @ 7:15 pm
Seriously? Writers have written the scenes and MH & MW delivered what was asked from them. They are ACTORS, what they do on the show in those scenes is acting. They are not MH & MW in those scenes, they are Gibbs and DiNozzo. You’re the one who’s living in denial here if you don’t get the difference between the actors and the characters.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 7:26 pm
Ummmm, I’m talking about Gibbs and Tony this seaons…..Gibbs acts like he doesn’t even like Tony anymore. But hey, if you think Gibbs still thinks of Tony as his SFA, go right ahead.
LSilvaxx
January 12, 2016 @ 1:52 am
LOL Ziva rejected him and you’re so convinced she loved him. Ziva tried to kill him but you’re still convinced she loved him. She treated him worse than anybody else and yet you’re convinced she loved him and is his one true love. But hey, go right ahead.
And again: MH & MW deliver what the writers have written. Whatever happens between Gibbs & Tony = it’s not MH and MW.
Marla
January 12, 2016 @ 2:03 am
Again, are you sure it’s not MW & MH, cause you know, real life does sometime spill over onto the screen.
As for Ziva, when did she try to kill Tony? If you’re talking about ‘Aliyah’, your hatred of the character has blinded you to how Ziva was being written during that time. But since you hate Ziva so much, nothing she did would have changed your mind.
As for Ziva rejecting him, how could reject someone she wasn’t in a relationship with????
LSilvaxx
January 12, 2016 @ 2:09 am
Yes I am sure. If you would have read any of my comments in reply to SAM you would have seen that I was provided with lots of material that showed me how good they got along since 2013 while SAM claimed they didn’t.
You’re wrong! I never warmed up to Ziva and yes, I dislike her as a character but I’m a grown up person and don’t HATE fictional characters. That’s not my style you know. Something you don’t know anything about, I know. You for example hate Gibbs as much as you hate MH because he isn’t a crying baby over your princess’ departure.
Nope. You can reject someone without being in a relationship. When you’re in a Café and some guy walks up to you and asks for your number or a date and you’re not interested you tell him so. That’s rejecting someone. Tony asked Ziva to come back with him – she said no and hasn’t been back in 3 years to be with him. Speaks volumes about her “big love for him”.
annsan
January 6, 2016 @ 3:18 am
This is TONY’s exit….not ziva’s and there never was tiva.
save the idiotic, fake and abusive tiva for fanfic like MW has said
Birte
January 6, 2016 @ 11:26 am
Uuhm yes there was, have you ever seen past, present and future? Because that was like almost only tiva so please, before you say things like that, go watch some more ncis
LSilvaxx
January 6, 2016 @ 12:54 pm
Tony deserves a good farewell that is about HIM. But of course, you Tiva shippers want it to be all about Ziva again. Nobody of these Tiva shippers gives a damn about Tony. He seriously deserves better than to be viewed only as the T in Tiva.
Sandi Brooks
January 6, 2016 @ 10:01 pm
Michael happilly posted on Twitter how even HIS MOM wants Ziva in his exit story. Doubt he’d have posted if he didnt agree with Mom.
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 3:28 am
And you think Michael Weatherly isn’t able to have his own opinion and does and says everything he mother wants him to? I’m sorry but in my opinion Michael is a grown up man who is ABLE to accept other people’s opinions, like his mom’s for example, without having to agree with them. Michael has said several times that he isn’t fond of the whole Tiva thing but it doesn’t matter. Believe what you want.
annsan
January 7, 2016 @ 5:28 am
Happily posted? wow – what a reach. And an even bigger reach that his mom wants ziva there. What do assumptions say about the person who assumes?
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:43 pm
He also happily posted that “Tony & Ziva never were a couple seasons 3-10. Coworkers, friends and starcrossed yes. People project onto it”. Doubt he’d have posted if he didn’t agree with it.
Daisy
January 7, 2016 @ 2:26 am
We Tiva fans do give a damn about Tony that is exactly why we want Ziva to come back so that he can have his happily ever after with the women he loves.
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 3:30 am
Tony never said he loved her. Weatherly has said multiple times that they never wear in a relationship or in love. He even said it wasn’t real. And I think that after 13 years of portraying this character, he knows and understands this character better than anyone. You don’t want Ziva to come back for him. You use Michael’s decision to have de Pablo back, that’s all. It’s about your wish to have her back for any given reason.
annsan
January 7, 2016 @ 5:27 am
Bull…it’s all about ziva’s something permanent and what tiva shippers claim to have been promised.
This is about TONY, not tiva and not ziva
georgia
January 10, 2016 @ 3:16 pm
When ziva left i remember very well your reaction and your stupid comments.Now that MW is leaving you see many articles mentioning ziva as a big part of Tony s life and that it would be a fault not to bring her back.NCIS was the best drama of the world but the past few years that has changed.It s not only because of ziva but the writers don t have new and good ideas for the characters.There have been of course many good episodes that i enjoyed watching like the last year s thanksgiving or the one that diane was killed but there are more boring episodes than exciting and fun to watch.So i think that the next year will be the end of ncis because without tony who was the funny part of the show ncis won t survive.Ziva must be brought back because the fans want her back everyone is talking about that and you commented on an article that talks about tiva and their chemistry so whatever you say about tiva and not existing doesn t stand.
annsan
January 10, 2016 @ 5:28 pm
rofl….ziva must not be brought back. and Tony was so much more than comedy. The idea that ziva/tiva fans refuse to see that is part of the issue with why ziva is not a fit for NCIS – past, present or future.
Cote quit – it’s not her fault that ziva fans can’t accept that.
Michael has now resigned – unless cote by also giving PLENTY of notice to writers. The show has AMPLE time to come up with a story to write him off.
ziva returning to write Tony off will be nothing more than a cliched fanfic. and NOTHING is owed to a vile bunch of fans who have acted like spoiled brats since their idol quit
georgia
January 10, 2016 @ 7:37 pm
First of all i agree that tony is more than comedy but they are going to replace him with someone else and the new character will be able to solve crimes and say his lines just like tony but the spirit that tony brings to the show his humor and the way that faces life won t be replaced.Second of all i have accepted that ziva is gone and is not going to come back but now tony is leaving and a big part of his life was ziva because she changed him and made him a better person just like he changed her.I don t want ziva to be a big part of the finale but it would be a good thing a scene with her just in memory of what they ve been through.You obviously don t think that tiva existed but many writers and actors have said otherwise.
annsan
January 10, 2016 @ 10:26 pm
Not arguing with any of your Tony statements. I agree with them and will go farther by saying Gibbs might be the lead character but the Tony character is the heart of the show. MW, being the first of the core, *original* cast to leave, will leave a huge hole that might just prove to not be ‘fillable’.
Congrats for accepting that ziva is gone. One only has to read various social media sites or be familiar with the antics of the ‘campaign’ to know that some refuse to.
I will disagree that ziva was a huge part of Tony’s life and made him a better person. She was a team mate, that is all. Much like Kate. I think Gibbs and Jeanne are the two characters who most helped to grow the fictional character of Tony, not ziva. I’d also disagree that he had anything to do with any growth for ziva – and I doubt that there was. If there had been, that could be attributed to the person ziva was making the life changes for as stated in PPF.
Really not sure who you mean by ‘many writers and actors have said otherwise’. The only cast member who believed in tiva as a romance was cote herself. As far as the writing crew goes, the biggest cheerleader was Shane Brennan followed by Jesse Stern, Reed Steiner, Gina Monreal and another female writer whose name completely escapes me.
georgia
January 11, 2016 @ 1:53 pm
1}When ziva left tony understood some things that did in the past and tried to solve them in season 11.He wanted to move on and be a better person.If ziva wasn t important in his life tony would react like mcgee who was her friend and was just sorry that she left but he didn t change his emotional state.
2}Ziva through the seasons has grown very much and became a better person.In season 6 she realized that tony cared about her and that when she left the team still cared about her and this made her more mature.Then she saw that tony was always by her side and he was trying to help her.
it s not necessary to be told in the show that tony and ziva were and are important to each other because most of the people see it.Someone is important to the other just because he lives and from his presense you take strength and that happened to tony and ziva.It didn t have to be a couple to feel like one like MW has also said.So michael also understands and knows that tiva existed and he has said that he believes that the two characters will meet in the future.From that you can tell that it s not only cote that saw that something was going on between tony and ziva.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 11:12 pm
How do we know that the new character won’t have the spirit Tony brings to the show or won’t have some spark that viewers just love? There were fans who were convinced that no one could replace Kate. But then Ziva appeared, and a large portion of the audience responded with, “Kate who?” No other character will ever be exactly the same as Tony. But that doesn’t mean audiences won’t enjoy, appreciate and watch whoever comes next.
georgia
January 12, 2016 @ 5:55 am
Tony is in ncis for 13 years.Kate was for 2 and if you remember that ziva was for 8 years in the show and most of the people haven t forget her and don t say ziva who.Kate was only the first 2 years when ncis wasn t as succesful as now.So tony won t be replaced with someone that good and noone will forget him because ncis in 1 or 2 years will be over.
FLCheesehead
January 12, 2016 @ 5:19 pm
No … there will never be another character like Tony. No … the show will never replicate him. But the show is more than just Tony. It’s more than just Ziva or Tiva or Kate or Jenny. There are characters left that many people love — McGee, Bishop, Ducky, Jimmy, Gibbs, Vance, Abby — and there are new characters to be created. Who knows which new character (or actor) might charm or surprise or entertain or draw interest. But yes … people will forget about Tony just like they forgot about Kate and like many have forgotten about Ziva. It’s television. People are fickle.
georgia
January 12, 2016 @ 7:45 pm
You are wrong in that because the bromance between tony and mcgee will disappear the headslaps without tony don t matter and the statements for movies will be gone so people won t forget him because these things and of course some others are that made ncis what it is today.We haven t seen leon and jimmy in many episodes this season especially leon.So i think that if they want to keep going with the show they must not bring new characters because there are many dramas or many comedies but the characters are that make a show what it is and why people love it.
FLCheesehead
January 12, 2016 @ 8:19 pm
Yes … the bromance will be gone. And the headslaps will (thankfully) be gone. But if Michael wants to leave, then Tony must also leave. Tony cannot stay if Michael does not want to. They will never find another Tony. But we don’t know who the show will bring in once he’s gone. I’ll miss Tony, but I’m excited to see how the show changes moving forward.
georgia
January 13, 2016 @ 5:53 am
Ok you have your opinion and i have mine because i didn t like how the show moved forward and how it changed without ziva so i don t want to imagine what the show will be with two new characters but i agree that if michael wants to leave he must leave.
Lisa Liscoumb
January 6, 2016 @ 5:28 pm
One episode in eight years does not Tiva make.
annsan
January 7, 2016 @ 5:25 am
ahh yes, GG’s attempt to pacify ziva fans when cote abruptly quit with no notice several years ago. The aberration out of many seasons where several writers pandered to a loud, vocal minority who felt they were owed something just for watching a show. Too bad y’all couldn’t be happy with the attempt you were given before the show went back to its normal storytelling.
Lee
January 8, 2016 @ 1:47 pm
Have you ever seen Semper Fidelis/Aliyah where Ziva accuses Tony of killing the man she loved.
Or Saviors, where it is clear that Jeanne is the woman Tony still has unresolved feelings for, not Ziva.
Every fan sees what they want out of the Tony/Ziva relationship, but it is only Tiva fans who believe that everyone should be forced to see it their way, funny that.
Marla
January 6, 2016 @ 10:05 pm
Oh, dear, someone didn’t see Michael’s tweet about what his mom said!!
annsan
January 7, 2016 @ 5:15 am
actually it’s been copied over into many a forum. Still doesn’t mean a thing and carries no weight for the validity of your fake ship. Especially since it was MW himself who said tiva was in the minds only of those who chose to see it
Marla
January 7, 2016 @ 6:42 pm
Meanwhile Michael himself said at a press day for foreign journalists that he hopes Ziva comes back! Gee, I wonder why Michael would say that in a room full of journalists??
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:27 pm
He has said many things in the past years to journalists and interviews. For example that Tiva is like Herpes. YOU only like the things YOU want to like.
Marla
January 7, 2016 @ 11:31 pm
So you’re gonna ignore what Michael said in a recent press day junket with journalists and use what he said several years ago? Wow, just wow!
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:37 pm
No, I’m trying to make you understand that Michael welcoming Ziva back does NOT mean that he welcomes Tiva. Is that so hard to understand for you? You, dear Marla obviously don’t care about either Michael nor about the Tony character at all. Only as a part of Tiva. That is just sad. Both, Michael and Tony deserve better.
Marla
January 7, 2016 @ 11:40 pm
Don’t be so sure about that!
LSilvaxx
January 8, 2016 @ 12:32 am
About what exactly? About Michael welcoming Ziva back but not automatically wanting Tiva? Or that you don’t care about Michael and Tony at all?
Your Twitter-Rants prove that to me so I can be sure that you don’t care about Michael. And the only way you care about Tony is when it comes to Tiva.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 7:27 pm
LOL, again!!!
loarlair300
January 8, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
Why don’t you give us the links to these comments. I’ll be waiting. Youre making stuff up
LSilvaxx
January 8, 2016 @ 6:39 pm
LOL I don’t need to provide links. The videos, interviews are all over the Internet my dear. What kind of fan are you if you haven’t paid attention to Michael’s interviews? I know what kind of fan: A fan of de Pablo, Ziva and Tiva who doesn’t give a damn about Michael Weatherly.
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:29 am
What has his mom to do with his job? Don’t you think a grown up man like Michael is able to have a different opinion? You really try to tell me that he suddenly is a fan of Tiva after all those years of openly dissing just the thought of Tiva simply because his mother might like Tiva? And you’re assuming that she wants Tiva. You don’t know in what way she asked his son about that. She could have said it with interest, with disgust or whatever. But I understand that YOU dear Marla need to pretend that everything is perfect for you because other ways you will have another breakdown and rant like there’s no tomorrow. It must be frustrating to be so obsessed over a tv show and fictional characters that living a life without them is so complicated. I feel for you and everyone who feels the same way. You and your friends, I feel for you.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:31 pm
Which would be great, if Michael’s mom was making decisions on Tony’s exit. Then again, I suppose she could be a strong influence with Moonves or CBS. Hard to know.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 10:48 pm
Well, why is his mom asking if Tony’s going to be with Ziva in the first place?????
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 11:08 pm
I don’t know. You’d have to ask her. Or him. But I don’t think the whole world has to stop and listen and buy into the idea that Tiva must happen just because Michael’s mom said so.
LSilvaxx
January 6, 2016 @ 2:13 am
If Ziva would come back for that, then it wouldn’t be a farewell to Tony. It would be a huge insult to both, the actor and the character when it would be all about Ziva again. I’m definitely not the biggest fan of Michael anymore but he truly deserves better than to be a sidekick again for the woman who tried to kill him once, abused and insulted him. I don’t buy the whole Tiva thing at all. Tony is better of without her, the show is better off without her in my opinion. I would really hate for Tony leaving just to be the punching bag for Ziva’s crap again. He deserves better. His farewell should be about him!!
Kate Tibbs
January 6, 2016 @ 1:22 am
This is Tony’s story – it should end with heroic, BAMF!Tony.
Sandi Brooks
January 6, 2016 @ 10:12 pm
Tony was in Ziva’s exit story, what is different if Ziva isd in Tony’s? Besides Michael already is talking on Twitter about his mom asking for Ziva in his exit. He would NOT be posting this if he had a peroblem with the idea.
annsan
January 7, 2016 @ 5:29 am
because cote was the ONLY cast member who wanted tiva. And you have no idea what his motivation is for posting about his mom
Marla
January 7, 2016 @ 6:40 pm
So you’re gonna dismiss Michael saying he hopes Ziva comes back at that press day for the foreign journalists back in December?
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:26 pm
It was Michal who said that things on set now without Cote being there were not so stressy anymore. He made it clear that he and everyone else is more than happy without Cote being around and that the atmosphare on set since he departure was so much better. And then, after realizing what he just admitted to a camera he suddenly back pedaled. Michael saying he hopes Ziva comes back DOES NOT mean that he is suddenly pro Tiva.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 4:17 am
Which Michael said long before the Dec. press junket. It’s called ‘keeping up appearances’, which I’m sure you’re familiar with.
LSilvaxx
January 11, 2016 @ 7:17 pm
Michael and Cote are friends. And again: Him welcoming Ziva back does not automatically mean that he welcomes the idea of Tiva. Ziva and Tiva are two different “things”. But only you can’t separate it.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 7:27 pm
LOL, is all I have to say!!!!
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:29 pm
Of course he hopes Ziva comes back. He got a lot of air time with Ziva. Plus, Cote is his friend and he’s said he always had fun with her on the set. I’m sure if someone asked him about Joanna Teague or EJ or even Lt. Pam Kim coming back again, he’d say he’d enjoy that too.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 10:51 pm
Really, why don’t you ask him then?????
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:55 pm
Well, I would, if he were around. LOL. But really … if you can say what you think he means, why can’t I? Neither one of us knows him personally. We’re both just saying what we think and offering up opinions.
GiaMaria
January 8, 2016 @ 5:45 pm
Are you kidding me.lol if he didn’t want Cote back he wouldn’t mention her or re tweet pics of her or talk about her movie. All stuff he has done the last few months
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:30 pm
Of course he would. It’s called ‘keeping up appearances’.
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 10:51 pm
So what are you gonna do if Cote actually does appear on the show again????
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:57 pm
I’ll probably watch, as I have been since S1. What will you do if she doesn’t?
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:24 am
She probably would have just disappeared on the show without the team finding her if Cote wouldn’t get a “Tiva” ending in some way. I can totally see her demanding that. Given how Michael always talked about Tiva and that he was so against it, I feel sorry for him.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 10:24 pm
I never said he’d have a problem with it. Cote is a friend who would likely be fun to have back on the set, just like when Scottie Thompson was there. But the difference is, Ziva’s exit story was also sold to us as Tiva’s exit story. Which means that, for all intents and purposes, Tiva left the building when Cote did. Fans have been grousing for three years that there has been no contact between them, no Tiva of any kind, they hardly mention her name. But suddenly she’ll return and all will be as it was? She’s been gone for three years with apparently no contact. They’ve both changed. We’ve seen Tony’s changes. We have no idea how Ziva’s journey changed her. What happens if Ziva returns, but Tiva does not?
Marla
January 11, 2016 @ 10:47 pm
TIVA won’t return???? Really????? That’s news to me.
FLCheesehead
January 11, 2016 @ 11:04 pm
That’s a lot of question marks.
Where did I say Tiva wouldn’t return?
I asked Sandi what she thinks would happen IF Ziva returned but Tiva didn’t. (IF … not when.) I’m wondering how the fans would feel about that. Do you think they’d accept a Ziva return if, say, Ziva came back married. Or Ziva came back significantly changed after her three year journey and wasn’t the ninja everyone remembers.
Karen Janczy
January 6, 2016 @ 1:17 am
I’m hoping that was part of the discussion when MW, CdP and director Dennis Smith got together in November.
Karen Janczy
January 6, 2016 @ 1:15 am
A big yes to them finally getting together. What I DON’T want is Ziva showing up for Tony’s funeral. That would be a major slap in the face to all Tony and Ziva fans. The closure these two characters need is not to be the end, but to have a new beginning.
Dannixa
January 6, 2016 @ 12:52 am
Claro, en mi caso preferiría que el show continuara con los 2. Era mucho mas imteranste y divertido…
La química de ellos era lo mejor de todo…
Y bueno, Tony sin Ziva no ha sido nada, y si Ziva estara otra vez y Tony no sería exactamente lo mismo…
Entonces o que estén los dos o que no esté ninguno…
Pero creo que si no están ellos el show definitivamente se iría de “pique” …
Y diay en todo caso que den una salida genial con Tiva como siempre hemos querido …
Joan Diane Elizabeth Asselin
January 6, 2016 @ 12:49 am
ladeeda…you said it perfectly…..yes of course she needs to be back to let Tony have the proper goidbye with her….I hope they allow it….
FLCheesehead
January 6, 2016 @ 4:57 pm
Well … it’s not just whether or not “they allow it”. It also depends on Cote. She has to be on board too. With The 33, she’s finally starting to shed Ziva as the only thing she’s known for, and she’s building a career in film. She may not want to turn around and go back to Ziva. Yes, I know … she has always said she’d love to come back “under the right circumstances”. Maybe Michael leaving is the right circumstances. Maybe the right circumstances is just a line people say so fans don’t get mad. Only she knows.
Sandi Brooks
January 6, 2016 @ 10:03 pm
Or a proper HELLO to the rest of his life! A story that fills his two cups and gives him all he ever wanted would indeed be about Tony.
Joan Diane Elizabeth Asselin
January 6, 2016 @ 10:16 pm
Yes, sorry that Is what I meant….say goidbye with ZIVA at his side….not goodbye to Ziva
ZIVA and TONY belong together …
DZkat71
January 6, 2016 @ 12:41 am
No way ever. He’s got Zoe and she hasn’t disrespected, belittled or abused him like Ziva did. If he can’t have Jeanne his one true love, he can have a great life with Zoe.
Sally Ann Price
January 6, 2016 @ 3:20 pm
He broke up with Zoe in last night’s episode.
FLCheesehead
January 6, 2016 @ 3:39 pm
No … alas, he doesn’t. Broke up with Zoe last night. But really. Why does Tony have to walk out of the squad room in a relationship? Can’t he just leave and see what the future holds, that wacky DiNozzo cock-eyed optimism intact? C’mon CBS — give the ending a little whimsy and fun. And don’t forget to assign the Mighty Mouse stapler to someone. Just sayin’.
Sandi Brooks
January 6, 2016 @ 10:12 pm
He clearly didnt WANT Zoe. He dumped her.
LSilvaxx
January 7, 2016 @ 11:30 pm
Just like Ziva dumped him
SAM
January 10, 2016 @ 9:53 pm
Silva, I’m curious — it is the contention of most people against the idea of Tony and Ziva as a couple that they never were in a relationship.
Tony and Zoe were in a relationship. That is a fact. And he dumped her. That also is a fact.
What is also a fact is that one can only be dumped if they are in a relationship. One can only dump somebody if they are in a relationship.
So, are you saying that Tony and Ziva were in a relationship? Because if they weren’t, then how could she dump Tony the way he dumped Zoe?
LSilvaxx
January 11, 2016 @ 2:46 am
One kiss doesn’t actually make a relationship. And you can dump people in a lot of ways. She decided against him. She sent him away. That’s kind of Dumping him? In my eyes, she did dumped him.
SAM
January 11, 2016 @ 3:06 am
Mmmmmm….no, dumping somebody is pretty much tied in with being involved in a relationship. Sending a person away is just that — sending them away.
I think that the key to this is what you said — in your eyes. For a lot of people on both sides of this issue, that’s a biggie — in their eyes. Explains a lot.
Thank you for answering the question as honestly as you could. It’s greatly appreciated.
Joan Diane Elizabeth Asselin
January 6, 2016 @ 10:18 pm
Hahaha…his one true love..hahaha…
Limonite
January 5, 2016 @ 11:46 pm
Of course she needs to be back!!!
LaDeeDa
January 5, 2016 @ 11:38 pm
There is no discussion to be had. Ziva needs to come back and us fans really need a happy ending on screen. Make it happen cbs and everyone needs to write them tweets and e-mails to make sure this happens
FLCheesehead
January 6, 2016 @ 3:36 pm
Of course there’s discussion to be had. Some of “us fans” would really enjoy NOT seeing a Tiva ending.
Heather
January 8, 2016 @ 5:51 pm
How many names are you posting under. There is one person here with 4 names liking their own posts and you are it. You all type the same way and say the same things. You need a life
Lee
January 9, 2016 @ 9:51 am
Ah the response of those who don’t have a valid argument – “everyone arguing against me must be the same person using multiple accounts”
I have no idea who FLCheesehead is, I just happen to agree with what he/she posts. Ask the moderator, we are from different IP addresses – and, I’d wager, different countries.
FLCheesehead
January 9, 2016 @ 1:58 pm
Sorry. Just the one name. Feel free to contact the moderator if you feel I’m posting improperly.
Bertie
January 5, 2016 @ 11:33 pm
Yes yes yes! A thousand times yes! I love Tony and Ziva so much and this would be so fitting to see them finally end up together.