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	Comments on: &#8216;Big Brother 16&#8217; live feed spoilers: Victoria, Frankie Grande, words and controversy	</title>
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		By: Becki Ellison Minge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Becki Ellison Minge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would be filthy rich if I got a buck for all the times Victoria checked herself out when passing a mirror.]]></description>
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		By: rocky687		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rocky687]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137854&quot;&gt;kdm302&lt;/a&gt;.

im defending him because people are taking his comment the wrong people are only watching a small clip of the convo and dont understand why the convo came up in no way did the guys say to wait until shes drunk. all of them were getting drunk not only victoria]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137854">kdm302</a>.</p>
<p>im defending him because people are taking his comment the wrong people are only watching a small clip of the convo and dont understand why the convo came up in no way did the guys say to wait until shes drunk. all of them were getting drunk not only victoria</p>
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		By: kdm302		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kdm302]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137852&quot;&gt;rocky687&lt;/a&gt;.

I stand corrected. I re-listened to it and you were right. He did not say get her drunk.  He was only suggesting that once she was drunk, they should then double team her and take all her virginites when she was too intoxicated to give her consent.  Is that really any better?  He is implying that 2 guys screw a girl that has held onto her virginity in every hole possible when she is drunk.  How are you possibly defending this?  This guy is a turd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137852">rocky687</a>.</p>
<p>I stand corrected. I re-listened to it and you were right. He did not say get her drunk.  He was only suggesting that once she was drunk, they should then double team her and take all her virginites when she was too intoxicated to give her consent.  Is that really any better?  He is implying that 2 guys screw a girl that has held onto her virginity in every hole possible when she is drunk.  How are you possibly defending this?  This guy is a turd.</p>
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		By: rocky687		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rocky687]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137846&quot;&gt;kdm302&lt;/a&gt;.

he didnt say &quot;get her drunk and double team her&quot; if he did then that would be rape.....if u watch the whole convo which was 5 minutes long cody and caleb said they are going to get drunk and have a good time and double team her meaning have a threesome...once again u are twisting his word now have a nice day...if u are sure show me where he said get her drunk]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137846">kdm302</a>.</p>
<p>he didnt say &#8220;get her drunk and double team her&#8221; if he did then that would be rape&#8230;..if u watch the whole convo which was 5 minutes long cody and caleb said they are going to get drunk and have a good time and double team her meaning have a threesome&#8230;once again u are twisting his word now have a nice day&#8230;if u are sure show me where he said get her drunk</p>
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		By: kdm302		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kdm302]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137768&quot;&gt;diane&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, they can only hide the crazy for so long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137768">diane</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, they can only hide the crazy for so long.</p>
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		By: kdm302		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kdm302]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137779&quot;&gt;rocky687&lt;/a&gt;.

Frankie said &quot;Get her drunk and double team her and TAKE ALL HER VIRGINITIES&quot;.  It&#039;s not false claims, it&#039;s not &quot;taking it too far&quot; it&#039;s not twisting his words because it&#039;s all on tape and there is no way to shade that to make it even possibly ok. &quot;Take&quot; implies without permission.  &quot;All her virginities&quot; implies something that most virgins don&#039;t dive right into their first time, if ever. That was a disgusting thing to say.  How would he feel if someone on tv &quot;jokingly&quot; said this about his sister that he name-drops all the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137779">rocky687</a>.</p>
<p>Frankie said &#8220;Get her drunk and double team her and TAKE ALL HER VIRGINITIES&#8221;.  It&#8217;s not false claims, it&#8217;s not &#8220;taking it too far&#8221; it&#8217;s not twisting his words because it&#8217;s all on tape and there is no way to shade that to make it even possibly ok. &#8220;Take&#8221; implies without permission.  &#8220;All her virginities&#8221; implies something that most virgins don&#8217;t dive right into their first time, if ever. That was a disgusting thing to say.  How would he feel if someone on tv &#8220;jokingly&#8221; said this about his sister that he name-drops all the time.</p>
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		By: rocky687		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rocky687]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137777&quot;&gt;Lynn&lt;/a&gt;.

you guys are taking this too far at no point was he saying rape her if u watch the live feed u would know they all where planning to get drunk and christine says dont make love to victoria because she becomes flirtatious when shes drunk even making out with the houseguest. what frankie said and was implying was once all of you are drunk u should double team her (have a threesome) this is where You are twisting what was actually said after that comment he then says about the guys hooking up with him. &quot;You with the beer goggles on and me in full drag&quot; and Derrick says &quot;Yeah, I think I could F*** you with the zingbot glasses on, goggles on&quot;. derrick was talking to Frankie, not about Victoria. And Cody says, &quot;Ah dude, that&#039;s fing terrible&quot; and they start laughing. That&#039;s when Derrick does the motion, aimed at Frankie, not Victoria.

stop spreading false claims...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cartermatt.com/130947/big-brother-16-live-feed-spoilers-victoria-frankie-grande-words-controversy/#comment-137777">Lynn</a>.</p>
<p>you guys are taking this too far at no point was he saying rape her if u watch the live feed u would know they all where planning to get drunk and christine says dont make love to victoria because she becomes flirtatious when shes drunk even making out with the houseguest. what frankie said and was implying was once all of you are drunk u should double team her (have a threesome) this is where You are twisting what was actually said after that comment he then says about the guys hooking up with him. &#8220;You with the beer goggles on and me in full drag&#8221; and Derrick says &#8220;Yeah, I think I could F*** you with the zingbot glasses on, goggles on&#8221;. derrick was talking to Frankie, not about Victoria. And Cody says, &#8220;Ah dude, that&#8217;s fing terrible&#8221; and they start laughing. That&#8217;s when Derrick does the motion, aimed at Frankie, not Victoria.</p>
<p>stop spreading false claims&#8230;</p>
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		By: rocky687		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rocky687]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[at no point was he saying rape her if u watch the live feed u would know they all where planning to get drunk and christine says dont make love to victoria because she becomes flirtatious when shes drunk even making out with the houseguest. what frankie said and was implying was once all of you are drunk u should double team her (have a threesome) this is where You are twisting what was actually said after that comment he then says about the guys hooking up with him. &quot;You with the beer goggles on and me in full drag&quot; and Derrick says &quot;Yeah, I think I could F*** you with the zingbot glasses on, goggles on&quot;. derrick was talking to Frankie, not about Victoria. And Cody says, &quot;Ah dude, that&#039;s fing terrible&quot; and they start laughing. That&#039;s when Derrick does the motion, aimed at Frankie, not Victoria.

stop spreading false claims...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at no point was he saying rape her if u watch the live feed u would know they all where planning to get drunk and christine says dont make love to victoria because she becomes flirtatious when shes drunk even making out with the houseguest. what frankie said and was implying was once all of you are drunk u should double team her (have a threesome) this is where You are twisting what was actually said after that comment he then says about the guys hooking up with him. &#8220;You with the beer goggles on and me in full drag&#8221; and Derrick says &#8220;Yeah, I think I could F*** you with the zingbot glasses on, goggles on&#8221;. derrick was talking to Frankie, not about Victoria. And Cody says, &#8220;Ah dude, that&#8217;s fing terrible&#8221; and they start laughing. That&#8217;s when Derrick does the motion, aimed at Frankie, not Victoria.</p>
<p>stop spreading false claims&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lynn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone in the house knows Victoria would not consent to sex if sober. Suggesting and joking about getting a girl drunk to do things she wouldn&#039;t otherwise do (or just not saying no to having things done to her) is very wrong. There is a debate in many parts of society concerning whether or not a drunk person can give consent. Rightly or wrongly, many people in high school and college are being charged with rape, tried as adults, and some have had their lives ruined. This is an issue that is gaining more scrutiny as we in society see what happens when similar circumstances are recorded, such as when a high school student in California killed herself after pictures were spread round her school of boys molesting her while she was passed out. 
This issue is one in which mainstream views are currently evolving as more and more cases come to light. To make the best of a bad situation, I would love to see Julie Chen devote a segment to this subject on The Talk. Women need to realize the risks involved in binge drinking and men the risks involved in &quot;taking advantage&quot;. Everyone has more to lose. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone in the house knows Victoria would not consent to sex if sober. Suggesting and joking about getting a girl drunk to do things she wouldn&#8217;t otherwise do (or just not saying no to having things done to her) is very wrong. There is a debate in many parts of society concerning whether or not a drunk person can give consent. Rightly or wrongly, many people in high school and college are being charged with rape, tried as adults, and some have had their lives ruined. This is an issue that is gaining more scrutiny as we in society see what happens when similar circumstances are recorded, such as when a high school student in California killed herself after pictures were spread round her school of boys molesting her while she was passed out.<br />
This issue is one in which mainstream views are currently evolving as more and more cases come to light. To make the best of a bad situation, I would love to see Julie Chen devote a segment to this subject on The Talk. Women need to realize the risks involved in binge drinking and men the risks involved in &#8220;taking advantage&#8221;. Everyone has more to lose. </p>
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		By: Truthteller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truthteller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think a lot of people are twisting and miscontruing words. Nowhere in that comment did he insinuate RAPE. It was a, not funny, THREESOME joke. A threesome is not rape. A direct quote is &quot;[Caleb and Cody] should tag team her and take all of [Victoria&#039;s] virginites&quot;. Nowhere in that conversation did he say it would be unconsensual sex, and nowhere in that conversation did he say he condoned rape. So yeah, this whole thing is foolishness.


By the way, you can tell that Victoria&#039;s family is just BEGGING for attention by asking his famous sister for an apology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of people are twisting and miscontruing words. Nowhere in that comment did he insinuate RAPE. It was a, not funny, THREESOME joke. A threesome is not rape. A direct quote is &#8220;[Caleb and Cody] should tag team her and take all of [Victoria&#8217;s] virginites&#8221;. Nowhere in that conversation did he say it would be unconsensual sex, and nowhere in that conversation did he say he condoned rape. So yeah, this whole thing is foolishness.</p>
<p>By the way, you can tell that Victoria&#8217;s family is just BEGGING for attention by asking his famous sister for an apology.</p>
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